Raider Categories => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: MyRaider on Nov 22, 2013, 05:27:04 pm
Title: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 22, 2013, 05:27:04 pm
Hi all, I don't know about you all.... but I Have been getting my qubes busted about HP/FT-LB by my brothers who own 106ci Vic's My oldest brother just had his cams polished and a host of other internal upgrades he said his FT-LB is 142 now thats pretty sick and I'm sure he Pony-ed up the $$$$, but I still feel Japanese HP and torque is stronger but I'll let you know when we line up at the first stop light....
Check out my Dyno #'s and let me know what you think.... I still think my Dyno Guy is Bias towards Power commander because he gets more work out of it... he could have revved up higher #'s on my bike but I think he was slighted I did all my own work. Oh Well 120.3 FT-Lb Torque and 92.71 HP runs smooth as silk....
yeah, 142ftlbs to the wheels from a 106 is brutally good.
just take your lumps when ya'll line up and congratulate him for building/paying for such a strong running bike :)
aaahhhh, sibling rivalry will never die.....
I'm gonna have to see the dyno results to believe 142 ft/lbs out of the Vic 106. IF he really is getting that much then he must have put the cost of the bike back in the motor!
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Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Litos on Nov 22, 2013, 07:18:35 pm
yeah, 142ftlbs to the wheels from a 106 is brutally good.
just take your lumps when ya'll line up and congratulate him for building/paying for such a strong running bike :)
aaahhhh, sibling rivalry will never die.....
I'm gonna have to see the dyno results to believe 142 ft/lbs out of the Vic 106. IF he really is getting that much then he must have put the cost of the bike back in the motor!
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best thing to do is to dyno both bikes on the same dyno on the same day.....
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 22, 2013, 07:34:48 pm
Fact is he paid a top shop to pump up his Bike I'm pretty sure I'll get spanked Too..... But I did all my mods myself.... I'm a Stone Mason at least I give my Bike a little Kick I must say I'm a little disappointed with the HP turn out 92.71 I think it's weak.
Thanks for the replies, Al
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Budzo on Nov 22, 2013, 08:36:54 pm
Fact is he paid a top shop to pump up his Bike I'm pretty sure I'll get spanked Too..... But I did all my mods myself.... I'm a Stone Mason at least I give my Bike a little Kick I must say I'm a little disappointed with the HP turn out 92.71 I think it's weak.
Thanks for the replies, Al
I'm curious how you modified the baffle on the VH 2-1. Depending on what you did it may be hurting your HP.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 22, 2013, 09:12:45 pm
Fact is when I fiddled with the Baffle I didn't get it out in one piece so I had some Big City Thunder QQ with a mesh cone....I took it to body shop next to my house and for the cost of a 12 pack they welded it in for me just the way I wanted I can tell you this.... It was popping with the stock baffle not any more, V&H was Great anyway they sent me a brand new baffle if I want to pop it back in I can....But check out my videos above in the first post it has a pretty unique sound now it shoots fire before it pops I think it's kind of sick myself I like it.
The Bike really does run sweet right now...... I'm just amped up.... I'm definitely looking forward to my run in with Big Bro and is Vic on Roids.
Watch my vids let me know what you thing.....I know one thing there is a Purple blueish Raider on ytube it sounds like it was tuned by NASA I love it I tried to find out his setup but didn't get any reply: check it out it sounds awesome!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmEHQ68500
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Budzo on Nov 22, 2013, 09:18:36 pm
I used to have a VH2-1 and I cut the cap off the front of the baffle. Sounded awesome, but definitely hurt my power output. Unfortunately I never had it dyno'd, but my butt could tell I lost a little. Sounded awesome so I didn't care.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 22, 2013, 09:30:31 pm
Check these dynos: I definitely bumped it up but I think I could have got a better read from the guy how dynoed it if he did the work.... he did not seem to care because it was a cobra FI 2000 auto-tune. Mechanics don't like them. mine is at 92.71HP and 120.3 ft-lb torque it still is respectable with these other guys.
http://raiderperformance.com/Dynopage.htm
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Nov 22, 2013, 09:36:02 pm
I too would like to see the Dyno sheet on your brothers Vic, if he is getting 142 TQ to the wheel he definitely put some serious money on the table to get it done. I put some serious money into my build and have 127 TQ on a 120 ci build, the HP is 104.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 22, 2013, 09:57:24 pm
Buzz you just maid me feel much better I'm not a mechanic all my stuff is plug and play: Mods: Vance & Hines 2 into 1 w/modified Big City Baffle, Raised Air Box to allow more Air and K&N Filter and Cobra FI2000
Except for Tweaking my air box and Baffle pretty standard upgrades.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: matj1990 on Nov 23, 2013, 01:47:12 am
im betting the Quiet core might be adding to much back pressure hence the low hp number.
my bike has almost same mods but has freedom curve pipes and i put down 90hp 112tq thats before my power pro
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: major443 on Nov 23, 2013, 06:07:03 am
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.....I know one thing there is a Purple blueish Raider on ytube it sounds like it was tuned by NASA I love it I tried to find out his setup but didn't get any reply: check it out it sounds awesome!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmEHQ68500
Garage video clips of pipes regardless of brand always sound much better than if they were recorded outside....just sayin ;)
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 23, 2013, 07:29:48 am
No problem I asked.... I appreciate input from all Raider owners (but there is a vid outside too at my Buddys House Listen to that one too you won't hurt me if you don't like it) It's all trial and error thats the best thing I like about The FI2000 I can swap things around until it's perfect right now Dyno or no Dyno I'm going to take that challenge with by Brothers (Sick Vic 106) I still have 113 and and it's running F***in Lean and Mean I'll take my lumps like a man if I Lose. But if I Win I want you all.... to know so we burn up any sport cruiser that pulls up next to us (Except the V-Rod of course thats not going to happen no matter what we do those bikes can be built like a rocket.)
I'll Post my results one way or the other so we all can learn for the future.....Still for the $$$$ we all have the Best Rides on the Road and they will always have more Road time than Shop time.
Thanks again, Al
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: major443 on Nov 23, 2013, 08:06:44 am
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.... to know so we burn up any sport cruiser that pulls up next to us (Except the V-Rod of course thats not going to happen no matter what we do choose bikes can be built like a rocket.)
I personally don't consider the VRod a cruiser and totally different animal than the Raider. In fact, I don't even consider it a Harley. Just because they plaster their name on it don't make it a HOG IMO. Not with that Porsche engine in it. Just my .02c.....
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: dreadly on Nov 23, 2013, 09:44:05 am
... it sounds like it was tuned by NASA I love it ...
quote of the year for me ... that made me smile.
These bikes got enough to make them fun to ride - there are many other motorcycles that will eat it up. But for me, there is NO OTHER bike that looks as good as the Raider.
* just to clarify, I don't classify motorcycles into groups when it comes to racing - always of the mindset "you run what you brung and may the best man/lady win"
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 24, 2013, 08:29:41 pm
Hey Guys, I went with my brother to pick up the Sick Vic 142 FT-LB of Torque it was to cold for us to face off although I was ready I just need to know if it's true can't wait to run him.... he said his HP is in the 130/135 range....gotta see it
Al
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: dreadly on Nov 24, 2013, 08:45:32 pm
Hey Guys, I went with my brother to pick up the Sick Vic 142 FT-LB of Torque it was to cold for us to face off although I was ready I just need to know if it's true can't wait to run him.... he said his HP is in the 130/135 range....gotta see it
Al
If you get to run with him soon, have someone on the sidelines take a video ... I too would like to see a bike like that run the Raider
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: major443 on Nov 24, 2013, 09:11:43 pm
Hey Guys, I went with my brother to pick up the Sick Vic 142 FT-LB of Torque it was to cold for us to face off although I was ready I just need to know if it's true can't wait to run him.... he said his HP is in the 130/135 range....gotta see it
Al
A stock 106ci Victory is rated at around 97hp so to be putting out 130-135hp it would have had to had some major work done...that's like a 35% increase if that's even possible. Would like to see a dyno sheet on that to believe it. Until then I call BS
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
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Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 24, 2013, 09:31:24 pm
For Sure... Truthfully the way my bike is running I think I will take him in the 1/4 mile..... Dyno or no Dyno He did dump some serious cash some Lloyds stuff I don't know.
But my Bike cruzin pretty good with my cheap mods....I was pretty happy yesterday after I heard his Bike after mods than ran mine Home on a 38 degree night, still like mine
Listen to my little pisser freaken rev.... Blurry vid I'm sorry but you guy/gals know what your seeing.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rthmLOXeY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMr1A_njzQI
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: major443 on Nov 24, 2013, 10:49:36 pm
Youre not too far off the mark with your dyno numbers actually. From what Ive read most guys with pipes, fuel processor and air kit are getting around mid 90's and around 120lb Tq. Hope to get mine dyno'd in the spring to see what she puts out :)
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Nov 25, 2013, 01:17:44 am
.... to know so we burn up any sport cruiser that pulls up next to us (Except the V-Rod of course thats not going to happen no matter what we do choose bikes can be built like a rocket.)
I personally don't consider the VRod a cruiser and totally different animal than the Raider. In fact, I don't even consider it a Harley. Just because they plaster their name on it don't make it a HOG IMO. Not with that Porsche engine in it. Just my .02c.....
Al, the VRod can be beat by our Raider. Stock vs stock the VRod wins hands down, there is no question there. But with a bit of work it can be done. I have done it... ;D I don't think the VRod had any work done to it and if we had been going for top speed I am sure it would have won. Light to light it couldn't hang, the TQ and HP where too much for it off the line.
Rav'n, the VRod is most definitely a Harley. A very radical one I will admit but a Harley none the less. Porsche did not make the VRod engine, they helped Harley design it. It was a collaboration between the two companies. The bike and auto world do it all the time.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: major443 on Nov 25, 2013, 02:49:35 am
.... to know so we burn up any sport cruiser that pulls up next to us (Except the V-Rod of course thats not going to happen no matter what we do choose bikes can be built like a rocket.)
I personally don't consider the VRod a cruiser and totally different animal than the Raider. In fact, I don't even consider it a Harley. Just because they plaster their name on it don't make it a HOG IMO. Not with that Porsche engine in it. Just my .02c.....
Al, the VRod can be beat by our Raider. Stock vs stock the VRod wins hands down, there is no question there. But with a bit of work it can be done. I have done it... ;D I don't think the VRod had any work done to it and if we had been going for top speed I am sure it would have won. Light to light it couldn't hang, the TQ and HP where too much for it off the line.
Rav'n, the VRod is most definitely a Harley. A very radical one I will admit but a Harley none the less. Porsche did not make the VRod engine, they helped Harley design it. It was a collaboration between the two companies. The bike and auto world do it all the time.
I realize that Porsche didn't make the engine Bill but they certainly had significant input in its design and they way it performs. So let me ask this then. If a Raider races a Harley with a 132 S&S and gets blown away do you say you lost to a Harley? Or lets turn it around. Say you can put that same engine in a Raider and races a Harley can the Harley rider say he lost to a Japanese Raider? Were not talking swapping out pipes and air kits here. Or even modifying a stock engine. A Harley 103 is a 103. You can put that sucker in any number of Harleys. Can the same be said for the VRod motor? A VRod is not a Harley in the traditional sense in my mind. You can have a different opinion that's your choice.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Nov 25, 2013, 03:19:35 am
.... to know so we burn up any sport cruiser that pulls up next to us (Except the V-Rod of course thats not going to happen no matter what we do choose bikes can be built like a rocket.)
I personally don't consider the VRod a cruiser and totally different animal than the Raider. In fact, I don't even consider it a Harley. Just because they plaster their name on it don't make it a HOG IMO. Not with that Porsche engine in it. Just my .02c.....
Al, the VRod can be beat by our Raider. Stock vs stock the VRod wins hands down, there is no question there. But with a bit of work it can be done. I have done it... ;D I don't think the VRod had any work done to it and if we had been going for top speed I am sure it would have won. Light to light it couldn't hang, the TQ and HP where too much for it off the line.
Rav'n, the VRod is most definitely a Harley. A very radical one I will admit but a Harley none the less. Porsche did not make the VRod engine, they helped Harley design it. It was a collaboration between the two companies. The bike and auto world do it all the time.
I realize that Porsche didn't make the engine Bill but they certainly had significant input in its design and they way it performs. So let me ask this then. If a Raider races a Harley with a 132 S&S and gets blown away do you say you lost to a Harley? Or lets turn it around. Say you can put that same engine in a Raider and races a Harley can the Harley rider say he lost to a Japanese Raider? Were not talking swapping out pipes and air kits here. Or even modifying a stock engine. A Harley 103 is a 103. You can put that sucker in any number of Harleys. Can the same be said for the VRod motor? A VRod is not a Harley in the traditional sense in my mind. You can have a different opinion that's your choice.
You're talking apples and oranges, Harley had zero input into the design of the 132 S&S motor so no, if it was in a Harley frame it would not be a Harley. The VRod motor was designed by Porsche and Harley techs side by side with both sides having significant input with Harley paying the entire tab. That makes it a Harley. Harley went outside their normal box in the creation of the VRod, I say bravo for them. Hell, even Yamaha used American techs to develop and build our Raider, does that mean it's truly not a Yamaha? As for different motors doesn't Yamaha have different motors for all the different bikes they produce? Is not Harley allowed to do the same thing, or must they only make the 103, 110 and the smaller ones they produce? And as for the VRod motor going into any other frame we both know that any motor can be put into any frame with the proper mods. It is true that even many hard core HD riders do not consider the VRod a Harley because it does not fit the Harley image but with Harley paying 100% of it's creation it is most definitely a Harley. I will 100% agree with you that in the traditional sense the VRod does not fit the Harley mold but it doesn't mean it's not a Harley.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Litos on Nov 25, 2013, 08:58:58 am
.... to know so we burn up any sport cruiser that pulls up next to us (Except the V-Rod of course thats not going to happen no matter what we do choose bikes can be built like a rocket.)
I personally don't consider the VRod a cruiser and totally different animal than the Raider. In fact, I don't even consider it a Harley. Just because they plaster their name on it don't make it a HOG IMO. Not with that Porsche engine in it. Just my .02c.....
Al, the VRod can be beat by our Raider. Stock vs stock the VRod wins hands down, there is no question there. But with a bit of work it can be done. I have done it... ;D I don't think the VRod had any work done to it and if we had been going for top speed I am sure it would have won. Light to light it couldn't hang, the TQ and HP where too much for it off the line.
Rav'n, the VRod is most definitely a Harley. A very radical one I will admit but a Harley none the less. Porsche did not make the VRod engine, they helped Harley design it. It was a collaboration between the two companies. The bike and auto world do it all the time.
I realize that Porsche didn't make the engine Bill but they certainly had significant input in its design and they way it performs. So let me ask this then. If a Raider races a Harley with a 132 S&S and gets blown away do you say you lost to a Harley? Or lets turn it around. Say you can put that same engine in a Raider and races a Harley can the Harley rider say he lost to a Japanese Raider? Were not talking swapping out pipes and air kits here. Or even modifying a stock engine. A Harley 103 is a 103. You can put that sucker in any number of Harleys. Can the same be said for the VRod motor? A VRod is not a Harley in the traditional sense in my mind. You can have a different opinion that's your choice.
You're talking apples and oranges, Harley had zero input into the design of the 132 S&S motor so no, if it was in a Harley frame it would not be a Harley. The VRod motor was designed by Porsche and Harley techs side by side with both sides having significant input with Harley paying the entire tab. That makes it a Harley. Harley went outside their normal box in the creation of the VRod, I say bravo for them. Hell, even Yamaha used American techs to develop and build our Raider, does that mean it's truly not a Yamaha? As for different motors doesn't Yamaha have different motors for all the different bikes they produce? Is not Harley allowed to do the same thing, or must they only make the 103, 110 and the smaller ones they produce? And as for the VRod motor going into any other frame we both know that any motor can be put into any frame with the proper mods. It is true that even many hard core HD riders do not consider the VRod a Harley because it does not fit the Harley image but with Harley paying 100% of it's creation it is most definitely a Harley. I will 100% agree with you that in the traditional sense the VRod does not fit the Harley mold but it doesn't mean it's not a Harley.
VROD = Harley
a very badass and much needed Harley.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: dreadly on Nov 25, 2013, 09:46:56 am
If a Raider races a Harley with a 132 S&S and gets blown away do you say you lost to a Harley?
You raced and lost ... it's really that simple
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 25, 2013, 09:58:14 am
Guy's chill-out we still have one of--- if not the Best .....Sport Cruisers..... and a true Sport Cruiser at that on the Road.
This is all just friendly Banter.
Truth be said,,, if I could I'd like to own one of each to see witch one I'd like to keep in my Garage based on Looks,Ride and Definitely Reliability.
But I couldn't Be Happier with my choice.
Al
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 25, 2013, 10:04:21 am
Wow, If I do I'll tell you, But No Race yet but thanks again for having faith in your own Breed Machine Dreadly.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 25, 2013, 10:18:35 am
My apologies, Dread I should have read the quote line in there, I got defensive when I read the last post...your one of my first friends in this little Forum hope I didn't just trash it.
I'm like a Peacock showing it's feathers when I think someones trashing my Bike.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Litos on Nov 25, 2013, 12:55:05 pm
My apologies, Dread I should have read the quote line in there, I got defensive when I read the last post...your one of my first friends in this little Forum hope I didn't just trash it.
I'm like a Peacock showing it's feathers when I think someones trashing my Bike.
of all the metaphors you could have used, you chose a peacock !?!?
c'mon man !!!!!
HAHAHA !!!!!
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 25, 2013, 01:16:43 pm
It's a Family show...... you really want to laugh you have to see how fast I took my Pic down.
I don't care here it is: ...... have a laugh om me I look like a freakin Peacock with the colors behind my Photo. Purely didn't think of it when I Puked the words out.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 25, 2013, 01:21:18 pm
Did you ever piss a Peacock Off it's pretty funny they Fluff there Freakin colors and think there tough.
com-on laugh a little....
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Litos on Nov 25, 2013, 01:56:57 pm
LOL !!!!!
that's hilarious.
it's ok to laugh at yourself every now and then :)
Title: Raider Dyno
Post by: Wassup77 on Nov 25, 2013, 07:35:28 pm
Hey Guys, I went with my brother to pick up the Sick Vic 142 FT-LB of Torque it was to cold for us to face off although I was ready I just need to know if it's true can't wait to run him.... he said his HP is in the 130/135 range....gotta see it
Al
A stock 106ci Victory is rated at around 97hp so to be putting out 130-135hp it would have had to had some major work done...that's like a 35% increase if that's even possible. Would like to see a dyno sheet on that to believe it. Until then I call BS
Yeah what he said.
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Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: 08pwraider on Nov 25, 2013, 11:11:13 pm
I would like to know what your bro has done to his bike to be putting out those numbers.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: scooter1 on Nov 25, 2013, 11:41:38 pm
The BC baffle may sound better but I bet its running lean with that popping goin on. The best tuning produces no popping whatsoever. Bike looks beautiful & unique!
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 26, 2013, 05:57:32 am
Hey scooter1, thanks for the input, I have read your bike set-up and you have the 120ci and PCIII, V&H 2 into 1. Your bike I'm sure has a better tune and will undoubtedly Blast right by me.
But I don't possess the technical ability to tune it myself, thats why I choose the Cobra FI2000 auto-tune. Although I do believe with a good Dyno Guy you can get a better Tune with the PCV.
Therefore, If I do decide to really set my Bike up for optimal performance I think I would be following your Lead, 120ci but PCV just because it's a little newer I am worried about Heat with 120ci and Air Cooled machine???
As for now my little Baffle mod reduced popping from stock V&H 2 into 1, I wish I took Video of before Mod to show contrast in Sound.
I have to tell you it's running really sweat!!!
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: nebraider on Nov 26, 2013, 06:53:42 pm
I would like to know what your bro has done to his bike to be putting out those numbers.
Yep, "internal mods" can mean a bump in size, cams, lifters, etc. Either way I would love to spank a dyno like that, but I work with what I got, and what I can put into my bike, haha.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: Rczap on Nov 27, 2013, 02:24:36 pm
I have an 08 with VH 2-1 with a baffle that I pratically destroyed. I have the Patrick Racing BAK and PCV. My Dyno numbers weren't as good as yours 91 HP and 111 TQ. I had to have it tuned a second time by a better tuner. The first guy barely got me up to stock numbers. I might have to check out that baffle you have. Might help me out. Right now all my baffle is, is the small restricter section. It all came apart on me when I took it out to try to get some of the back pressure back.
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 27, 2013, 02:44:30 pm
Hey Rczap, I'll look up what I did and even get you a diagram, the tech guy at big city thunder is a very sharp guy he will give you straight direction or contact me I love mine new baffle I think it rev's higher.
Oh, and by the way I did the same thing you did, I destroyed my baffle pulling it out so call Steve at V&H he sent me a brand new baffle..... if I want to put it back in wich I don't think.... I will ever have the need. Depends maybe how long you owned the pipe too mine was the first month I put it on before I yanked it out.
Al
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 27, 2013, 03:02:11 pm
Diagram,
Title: Re: Raider Dyno
Post by: MyRaider on Nov 27, 2013, 03:24:59 pm