Guys, you are making the point for my daughter. She thinks it is pathetic that in a HOT climate you would need More Heat Retaining gear to stay warm. We would be dying from the heat, and shedding clothing. Once the temp gets over 60 we are riding in gear designed to help keep us cool. So we could understand you needing that extra gear if you came here. So we see your need for warm gear in your climat like it would be be for us at 40 below with 40 mph winds complaining that we are just to hot and wanting the temp to drop to 60 below and wind to blow at 50 mph, we don't we want the temp to go Down we want it to warm up a little,so we would expect you guys to want the the temps to be cooler not hotter.