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PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:02:42 PM »
did some deep research and found out that theres 2 other bikes that use our belt and diffrent pulleys the 950 and 1300 has the same pulley which is 70t at 11/8 belt which is the same belt we have on the raiderbut the raider has a 66t pulley to where with the strat pulley u have to replace the belt to a 11/2  belt so saves u alittle money not having to change out the belt


from numbers and what yamaha telling me is that the front spocket is same  as ours to they have the same number except the first three dights are diffrent being the bike then nubers in middle are part number such as these are for belts
THE BELTS FOR RAIDER ,1300, AND 950 ARE 11/8
ROADLINERAND STRATLINER  IS 11/2

BELTS
5S7-46241-00-00 V-STAR 950
5C7-46241-00-00 RAIDER
1D7-46241-11-00 ROADLINER
3D8-46241-00-00 V-STAR 1300
1D7-46241-11-00 STRATLINER

FRONT PULLEY
1D7-17651-00-00 ROADLINER
5S7-17651-00-00 V-STAR 950
1D7-17651-00-00 RAIDER
3D8-17651-00-00 1300 V STAR
1D7-17651-00-00 STRATLINER

REAR PULLEY
3D8-25470-00-00 V STAR 1300
4WM-25470-10-00 ROADLINER
3D8-25470-00-00 V STAR 950
5C7-25466-10-00 RAIDER
4WM-25470-10-00 STRATLINER
« Last Edit: Jun 15, 2011, 09:18:56 PM by ps54888 »


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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS FOR THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #1 on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:09:24 PM »
Phil,  I'm pretty sure you'll still need a longer belt.  If is was a only a one tooth change the stock belt would probably work.  But four more teeth on the rear pulley is going to require a longer belt.

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS FOR THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #2 on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:11:03 PM »
quote author=Budzo
Is the distance between the sprockets the same on the other bikes?  I thought a Roadliner used a longer belt, 136 tooth.  The Raider belt is 134 tooth.  Verify the teeth on a Roadliner belt.  If it's the same as the Raider then no belt change is needed.

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS FOR THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #3 on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:13:15 PM »
author=Floridaliner
wow  ;D   great work !

 we need a data base like the Linerwiki for us.   :cheers:

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS FOR THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #4 on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:14:27 PM »
Quote from: Flipper
Called about the rear pulley 3d8-25470-00-00. Its $671.99 ast my dealer.
Ouch

Flipper

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS FOR THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #5 on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:15:34 PM »
quote author=Floridaliner
 Flipper, fellers..........

  You do not have to get a Roadliner pulley. You can use a Harley Pulley, there directions of how to use a Harley pulley on Linerwiki.  All you need for the belt is the tooth count on the belt.  Doesnt matter if the pulley and belt are 1-1/8 wide or 1-1/4 wide either one will work.

  I was going to start buying up the correct Harley pullies on e-bay and drill them out to the required size.  I have found them from $20 all the way to $500. 

Here is the write up, you just need to find a 70 tooth rather than a 65 tooth like the article writes.
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65 Tooth Pulley Replacement
Replacing the rear pulley with a 65 tooth pulley will lower the RPM's by approximately 7%. This should result in better gas mileage and a lower cruising RPM.


Parts:

Bought used pulley on ebay for $22.50 including shipping. OEM P/N 40315-94 This is a cast aluminum pulley and it is ugly. But it's hidden by the Strat's saddle bags so it's no big deal. Any pulley for an '84-'99 HD should work -- DO NOT GET ONE WITH RECESSED BOLT HOLES
Bought Dayco Panther 133 tooth belt P/N DS-197005 from phatperformanceparts.com for $139.95 with free shipping.
31/64" drill bit $9.00
Installation took 2 hours using StratoFred's awsesome instructions. Here's the instructions with a few addtions:

1.Remove saddlebags and muffler. Raise bike on lift and remove rear wheel.
2.Swap the pulley on the wheel. Make sure you support the wheel so the brake rotor is protected while swapping pulleys. If you are using a Harley Davidson pulley, you'll need to drill out the 5 mounting holes with a 31/64' drill bit. This can be done easily with a hand drill.
3.Remove the left passenger floor board and left saddlebag frame (if equipped).
4.Remove the larger chrome cover over the front pulley (with the rectifier inside). The wires will still be connected to the rectifier so let it drop out of the way, but support it so it's not hanging by the wiring harness.
5.Remove the upper chrome belt guard. You don't have to remove the plastic lower guard, but it would provide more room to get the belt on and off later.
6.Unbolt & remove the left rear motor mount plate located just behind the pulley. There are 4 bolts, 2 through the plate into the tranny housing and 2 through the frame into the plate.
7.Remove the chrome cover over the EXUP valve. It's the small rectangular cover on the top of the pipes. There's only one screw in the rear you have to remove. Loosen the EXUP cables to provide clearance to slide out the swingarm shaft. (EXUP will already be disconnected if using a full-exhaust replacement.)
8.Remove the nut on the swingarm shaft and the shaft will slide out pretty easily.
9.Lower the swing arm until there is enough clearance to work the belt out. No need to remove the shock absorber.

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS FOR THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #6 on: Jun 15, 2011, 09:16:32 PM »
quote author=Floridaliner
 i hate to keep posting in the thread, we need a new thread for this.

  Here is more info:
Yamaha 'liner drive belt (stock pulley).

136 tooth
75 inch long
1-1/2 inch wide



Yamaha part: 1D7-46241-00-00 $530
Dayco Panther: DS-197002 $150 - $190
Harley Davidson: 40001-85 $207
Note: Most Harley dealers have this in stock. So If you don't want to wait for shipping you can just pick it up.

 Some pullies:
http://shop.ebay.com/sis.html?_nkw=70+Tooth+Belt+Pully+Drive+Harley+Davidson+1+1+2+Width

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #7 on: Jun 16, 2011, 04:38:36 AM »
nice work!!!
It would be great for dchertz and Matt to chime in here too

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #8 on: Jun 24, 2011, 12:15:30 PM »
You are going to give me the itch to do this mod soon.  Especially if the price keeps getting more reasonable for my budget.

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #9 on: Jul 29, 2011, 10:47:23 AM »
 Yes e-bay is load with Harley pulleys
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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #10 on: Jul 29, 2011, 11:10:18 AM »
When you go up in size on either of the pulleys you have to get a longer belt, otherwise it will be waaaay to tight on the adjustment if you are even able to get it on the rear pulley in the first place. Yes, changing the belt can be a pain because you have to remove the swing arm, but it's worth it to get this mod done right. I don't play around with things involving powertrain. It always ends badly.

You normally can find a used belt/pulley from a wrecked bike or someone that's gone and change their final drive gearing for a reasonable price. I spend 150.00 on my pulley and belt off of a stratoliner and sold my gently used belt for 100 bucks and still have my stock pulley in the garage.. So.. um, I was out 50 bucks for the mod so far? Not shabby.

Drilling out the holes on the HD pulley shouldn't be a biggie. They are plentiful, so if you mess one up, it's not a big deal to go buy another. This would be a pretty easy do it urself mod.

When you are doing this mod however, MAKE SURE TO USE RED LOCKTITE WHEN INSTALLING THE NEW PULLEY ON THE OLD HUB! Very important. Sorry to yell. I thought that the locknuts were good enough but I didn't realize that the studs where not actually one peice with the hub. The studs screw into the hub itself and are independent. So, you have to locktite both sides. It's super important. I noticed mine was starting to get loose and couldn't figure out wtf was going on. I had to take it all back apart and redo it. My mistake is ur gain on this one. I was lucky and it didn't cause any damage because I caught it early.


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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #11 on: Aug 04, 2011, 02:25:19 PM »
'03 Silverado pulley works as well, just put one on. And thanks for the heads up on the red loctite Matt, I probably would have never done it had I not read this first.

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #12 on: Aug 04, 2011, 03:53:49 PM »
Glad to be of assistance.

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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #13 on: Aug 15, 2013, 05:25:36 PM »
So was good belt length determined for the Raider with a stock front pulley and a 70T rear pulley?

Is the distance from the front pulley to the rear pulley the same as the Stratoliner/Roadliner and a belt from those bikes would work?  (or a 136 tooth belt with 1 1/8" width as well)
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Re: PULLEYS AND BELTS THAT WORK WITH RAIDER
« Reply #14 on: Aug 19, 2013, 08:56:26 PM »
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