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Title: Shock removal for lowering.
Post by: BK on May 13, 2016, 01:24:56 pm
A lot of you guy's remember Oops, any way he had a real nice write up on his web sight on how to remove the rear shock. His web sight is now gone and I thought I lost my printed copy of the instructions but I was lucky enough to come across them last night so I thought I would share them.
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Post by: dreadly on May 13, 2016, 01:27:32 pm
Nice!
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Post by: Zxdave on May 13, 2016, 04:43:34 pm
Nice!

 :agree: I used that for reference when I put on my air-ride, good write up !
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Post by: 102~2~113 on May 13, 2016, 06:38:43 pm
I've started saving references for my slam kit install, here's Baron's vid for their install:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rH7_NTF-s8

I couldn't re-find Oops directions, thanks for the share BK!
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Post by: SilverStar on May 13, 2016, 08:47:45 pm
This would make a good sticky in the How To forum.
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Post by: 102~2~113 on May 13, 2016, 10:04:38 pm
Here's a vid  -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQu9YBjaEUI&feature=player_embedded#!  The work actually starts at 7:30,
by some Junkies, from this thread  -> https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=8654.0
Not as detailed as the others posted.  Don't understand why they removed the wheel and swing arm to install dog bones, & maybe spring.
Title: Re: Shock removal for lowering.
Post by: BK on May 14, 2016, 05:40:03 am
I've started saving references for my slam kit install, here's Baron's vid for their install:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rH7_NTF-s8

I couldn't re-find Oops directions, thanks for the share BK!

No problem.
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 14, 2016, 05:48:23 am
I agree, this should be a sticky the how too thread.
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Post by: Raider50 on Jun 08, 2016, 07:09:17 am
Go to Baron's website, they have a video on their lowering kit install
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Post by: BorderlandBiker on Jul 10, 2016, 06:47:15 am
I gotta ask why?...So much of the Yamaha Raider's appeal is in its handling (Over the years there have been more than a few positive comparisons/reviews in magazines about its handling)...Soooo..."Eye's gots tooo know...did you fire 5 shots or.." oops, I mean why would you want to compromise your Raider' handling BY lowering it??? PEACE  :raked:  SAFE
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Post by: RedRaider on Jul 10, 2016, 07:35:37 am
Looks......simple as that.
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Post by: A.T. on Jul 10, 2016, 07:49:32 am
I gotta ask why?...So much of the Yamaha Raider's appeal is in its handling (Over the years there have been more than a few positive comparisons/reviews in magazines about its handling)...Soooo..."Eye's gots tooo know...did you fire 5 shots or.." oops, I mean why would you want to compromise your Raider' handling BY lowering it??? PEACE  :raked:  SAFE

Why?  I have short legs is why....and with the lowered CG, she handles great...
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Post by: BK on Jul 10, 2016, 08:57:59 am
I actually think it handles better after it was lowered.
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Post by: AlanW. on Jul 10, 2016, 09:11:19 am
I actually think it handles better after it was lowered.

IT may handle better but it raises the chances of scraping frame, pipes, and pegs and that could negatively effect your handling in a tight corner. I love the look of a lowered raider but scraping and damaging other parts has kept me from doing it.
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Post by: NotSoNewbieAnymore on Jul 10, 2016, 10:19:38 am
I actually think it handles better after it was lowered.

IT may handle better but it raises the chances of scraping frame, pipes, and pegs and that could negatively effect your handling in a tight corner. I love the look of a lowered raider but scraping and damaging other parts has kept me from doing it.

Hence, the popularity of the air ride systems. Ride at the height you like, then slam it when you park. Now all I have to do is come up with $800......
Title: Re: Shock removal for lowering.
Post by: BK on Jul 10, 2016, 05:58:06 pm
I actually think it handles better after it was lowered.

IT may handle better but it raises the chances of scraping frame, pipes, and pegs and that could negatively effect your handling in a tight corner. I love the look of a lowered raider but scraping and damaging other parts has kept me from doing it.

It all depends on hard you like to ride. I am a pretty mellow rider and all I have ever scraped is my pegs.
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Post by: dreadly on Jul 10, 2016, 06:16:31 pm
Looks......simple as that.
yep yep
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Post by: AlanW. on Jul 10, 2016, 07:06:06 pm
I actually think it handles better after it was lowered.

IT may handle better but it raises the chances of scraping frame, pipes, and pegs and that could negatively effect your handling in a tight corner. I love the look of a lowered raider but scraping and damaging other parts has kept me from doing it.

It all depends on hard you like to ride. I am a pretty mellow rider and all I have ever scraped is my pegs.

i ride pretty hard on the curvy roads so need the clearance. Would love to have the lowered look though.
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Post by: Zxdave on Jul 10, 2016, 10:19:23 pm
I actually think it handles better after it was lowered.

IT may handle better but it raises the chances of scraping frame, pipes, and pegs and that could negatively effect your handling in a tight corner. I love the look of a lowered raider but scraping and damaging other parts has kept me from doing it.

It all depends on hard you like to ride. I am a pretty mellow rider and all I have ever scraped is my pegs.

i ride pretty hard on the curvy roads so need the clearance. Would love to have the lowered look though.
Even with air ride the raider will still get down a back road just fine , just have to adjust your lines some
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Post by: Strykerjan on Aug 20, 2016, 01:48:44 pm
I am looking for some standard dog bones. Does anyone have them?
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Post by: fireandice51 on Nov 16, 2016, 01:24:10 pm
I noticed that opps says to remove the exhaust, while the Baron's video says that it isn't necessary? Does that step have to be made?
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Post by: Zxdave on Nov 16, 2016, 06:54:01 pm
I noticed that opps says to remove the exhaust, while the Baron's video says that it isn't necessary? Does that step have to be made?
Didn't take mine off when I installed tricky air ride, don't think its necessary
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Post by: LeaderDuece on Nov 17, 2016, 06:28:12 am
The stock exhaust is in the way of the front bolt on the bones. However you can get away with loosening up enough to move it out of the way. After market exhausts usually aren't as bad.
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Post by: Zxdave on Nov 17, 2016, 05:50:27 pm
The stock exhaust is in the way of the front bolt on the bones. However you can get away with loosening up enough to move it out of the way. After market exhausts usually aren't as bad.

Yeah Your rite Bro, didn't even think of him having stock pipes... I didn't do air ride till after V&N 2-1 , so wasn't a issue taking it off !
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Post by: fireandice51 on Nov 17, 2016, 06:21:45 pm
Yeah, I've got V&H swept pipes, so I think I'll try it without removing. I'd have to take them off at the header, and I'd rather not if I can help it.
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Post by: Spiderob on Jul 07, 2017, 08:31:25 am
For anybody that has already lowered your Raider. Does anybody know the measurement difference between the stock bones and the lowered bones. Really need these measurements. Any help would be great.
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jul 07, 2017, 08:32:39 am
For anybody that has already lowered your Raider. Does anybody know the measurement difference between the stock bones and the lowered bones. Really need these measurements. Any help would be great.

I have the Progressive Lowering bones, they are 1 3/4" lower than stock.
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Post by: Spiderob on Jul 07, 2017, 08:36:47 am
So are the bones shorter or longer than stock?
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jul 07, 2017, 01:13:56 pm
So are the bones shorter or longer than stock?

Well I am not all that sure just how the lowering math is done but I would think the Progressive bones are shorter than stock.
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Post by: Scoob on Jul 07, 2017, 02:52:03 pm
The Barons lowering bones were longer than stock. Maybe a 1/4" or so.
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jul 07, 2017, 02:58:13 pm
The Barons lowering bones were longer than stock. Maybe a 1/4" or so.

I was pretty sure I read that somewhere but I just can't seem to wrap my brain around it.  If they are longer how does that lower the rear?
Title: Re: Shock removal for lowering.
Post by: Scoob on Jul 07, 2017, 05:19:39 pm
The Barons lowering bones were longer than stock. Maybe a 1/4" or so.

I was pretty sure I read that somewhere but I just can't seem to wrap my brain around it.  If they are longer how does that lower the rear?
Your asking the wrong guy, I don't get it either  ;D
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Post by: Fiddles on Jul 07, 2017, 06:19:30 pm
The Barons lowering bones were longer than stock. Maybe a 1/4" or so.

I was pretty sure I read that somewhere but I just can't seem to wrap my brain around it.  If they are longer how does that lower the rear?
Your asking the wrong guy, I don't get it either  ;D
It changes the position of the yoke which changes the geometry of the suspension causing the swing arm to push up more if that makes sense.
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Post by: LeaderDuece on Jul 07, 2017, 09:29:23 pm
If I remember right, adding 3/16 of an inch will lower a Warrior about 1 inch. But it's been a long time. There's a chart over there somewhere....

Edit: I went and looked. These numbers are correct.
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Post by: the urban legend on Jul 07, 2017, 10:03:25 pm
Here's a quick demo of why adding longer connecting arms (AKA dog bones) lowers the suspension.

The black dots represent fixed mounting points
The red dots represent points that move with suspension travel.

 ( Kindly overlook my crude Microsoft Paint skills )
Title: Re: Shock removal for lowering.
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jul 08, 2017, 06:04:57 am
Here's a quick demo of why adding longer connecting arms (AKA dog bones) lowers the suspension.

The black dots represent fixed mounting points
The red dots represent points that move with suspension travel.

 ( Kindly overlook my crude Microsoft Paint skills )

Now it all makes sense, I was always visualizing them upright and that's why I was confused as to how a longer bone made the bike sit lower.  Your illustration explains it perfectly.