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Title: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Jul 16, 2009, 12:57:37 pm
Everyone,

So, I had a set of lifters go bad on my 09 Raider S after about 1000 mi.  The dealer replaced the two bad lifters, and lo and behold, a few weeks later I started experiencing the same clicking/bad lifter noise.  The dealer, and I, figured that the other two lifters had gone bad.  This would be in keeping with the idea that Yamaha had a run of bad lifters come through.  Brent at Tejas confirmed that the few Raiders that have come through his shop for bad lifters get all four replaced and then have not come back with further problems.  One of the Service guys at the dealership doing the work on my bike said the same thing.  However, once they tore apart my bike to do the lifter replacement, they discovered that the set of lifters they had replace previously were the ones that had failed.  Has anyone else heard of replaced lifters failing on the Raider?


Thanks in advance,

Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Jul 16, 2009, 01:13:40 pm
Everyone,

So, I had a set of lifters go bad on my 09 Raider S after about 1000 mi.  The dealer replaced the two bad lifters, and lo and behold, a few weeks later I started experiencing the same clicking/bad lifter noise.  The dealer, and I, figured that the other two lifters had gone bad.  This would be in keeping with the idea that Yamaha had a run of bad lifters come through.  Brent at Tejas confirmed that the few Raiders that have come through his shop for bad lifters get all four replaced and then have not come back with further problems.  One of the Service guys at the dealership doing the work on my bike said the same thing.  However, once they tore apart my bike to do the lifter replacement, they discovered that the set of lifters they had replace previously were the ones that had failed.  Has anyone else heard of replaced lifters failing on the Raider?


Thanks in advance,

Anthony

Whoa... news to me..
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TheOhiomike on Jul 16, 2009, 01:31:30 pm
This is the official tech bulletin from Yamaha 2/2/05
                                          TECH EXCHANGE

Explanation of engine mechanical noise characteristics
XV1600/1700 Road Star models

Please use the information in this bulletin to assist you in handling customer concerns about normal engine noise

Yamaha designed the Road Star to be a very special motorcycle, the heart of which is it's enormous v-twin engine. Our goals were to build a big-bore, high torque engine in the tradition of classic motorcycles that have long been part of the American landscape.  We also wanted it to have the exceptionally clean, muscular lines that without a doubt would draw attention to the Road Star.

Several engineering decisions were made to accomplish our goals.  For example, we chose traditional no-fuss air-cooling so as not to have a radiator detract from the bikes clean lines.  We chose proven push-rod valve actuation to give the engine it's particular style, as well as it's particular height and weight distribution characteristics.  We also gave it 98-102-cubic inch displacement-bigger than many car engines-with massive internal components like a crankshaft that alone weighs a hefty 45lbs.

If a customer should question the overall engine noise level, explain to them that certain mechanical operating noises from the engine are expected, and the Road Star is no exception.  It has engine-operating sounds  that are inherent precisely  because of the type of engine that it is.  The air cooled engine design used for the Road Star, unlike liquid-cooled engines, does not have a sound deadening , liquid-filled jacket surrounding most of the sound-producing mechanical engine components.  What is at issue is what are normal and abnormal noises.

Remind the customer that this is a very large air-cooled engine.  Aluminum and other metal components expand when they get hot, and the engine is designed with operating tolerances to accommodate for this expected characteristic of the metal.  The result is that the customer will likely hear more overall mechanical noises from the engine when it's hot and the oil is thinner.

Above all, make sure the customer is aware that the Road Star engine is proving itself to be extremely reliable and we are confident that Road Star will deliver trustworthy performance for years to come.  assure them that normal mechanical noises are not the sign of impending engine failure.

Engine Noise Analysis
tapping noise from camshaft area

Normal Noise    READ THIS!!!!!!


During initial engine start-up, the customer may occasionally hear a tapping noise from the camshaft area and, within a few minutes, the noise subsides.  explain that this is due to extra clearance at the push rod end before the hydraulic lifter is pumped up.  When the engine is turned off and it stops in a position where one of the valves is open, that lifter will bleed down over time due to the constant pressure applied to the lifter by the valve spring.  When the engine is restarted, a small amount of air may enter the lifter and it can take a few minutes for the air to bleed out of the lifter and self adjust to proper clearance.
Abnormal Noise
Constant tapping noise regardless of engine temperature - may be caused by what is called a flat lifter.  if the piston inside the hydraulic lifter becomes scratched, the lifter will not be able to hold the compressed oil inside to take up the valve/push rod clearance.  explain that a failed lifter will need to be replaced.

Ticking Noise from Cylinder Head Area

Normal Noise
Explain that a light ticking noise is normal due to the compact air-cooled design of the cylinder heads, which allows the sound of rocker arm loading/unloading and valve-to-valve eat contact to be heard.  Clarify that the ticking noise may increase slightly as the engine gets hot where the engine parts expand and the oil thins down.
Abnormal Noise
A consistently loud ticking noise, regardless of engine temperature may be caused by an improper valve clearance adjustment.  Explain that this engine is designed  with 2 intake valves and 2 exhaust vales per cylinder.  The single rocker opens and closes both valves at the same time.  One side of the rocker is nonadjustable and the clearance is self adjusted by the hydraulic lifter.  The other side is adjustable and must be adjusted so the valve contact point is the same as the other side.

Knocking Noise from Crankshaft Area

Normal Noise
When an extremely hot engine is idling, the customer may hear what some describe as a light knocking noise coming from the crankshaft area, primarily from the right side.  The noise is more pronounced if the idle speed drops below 900rpm.  this is a normal engine noise.
Explain that the Road Star engine is designed to produce very high torque at low engine operating rpm.  Because of this low operating rpm, for the alternator to produce sufficient electrical output to support the system, the alternator is driven off of a jackshaft which is geared to the crankshaft and spins at approximately 2 time the engine rpm.
As the engine heats up and the aluminum crankcase expands, the gear lash (clearance) is increased between the alternator shaft drive and driven gear.  Inform the customer that, normally, the oil viscosity dampens the gear contact surfaces and helps reduce mechanical noise.  However, in this case, the oil is thin which reduces the damping effect.
Under these conditions, if the machine is put into 1st gear and the engine is loaded down below 500 rpm with the brakes applied, the described knocking noise will become even more pronounced.  Explain that this is because of several factors.  1st, the ignition timing is set for 900 rpm idle speed.  At below 500 rpm, the timing is too far advanced and causes early combustion which will try to force the piston down in the opposite direction.  2nd, at such low rpm, the oil pressure is also very low which affect the damping effect at crankshaft plain bearings.  Combine these factors  with the slow spinning alternator shaft which is juddering  from the magnetic field of the alternator rotor, the engine will make some mechanical noises.  Reassure the customer that this is common with any engine design and does not indicate excessive wear/clearance of components or impending failure.
Abnormal Noise
If the engine is consistently making what is described as a knocking noise regardless of engine temperature or load, convey that it may be due to a bearing or bearing surface failure at the upper or lower connecting rod or crankshaft plain bearings.  if your customer is concerned that a normal operating noise is impending bearing failure, remind him or her that bearing failures get progressively worse in a short time.  if the noise hasn't been getting worse or even seems to "fix itself" from time to time, it's not a bearing failure.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Jul 16, 2009, 01:48:42 pm
I'm running the Yamaha stuff.  I've been reading a few discussions about running the synthetic oil, and I am planning on switching it out.  This dealership wanted to "run that by Yamaha to make sure it doesn't void the warranty", so as soon as they get their heads out of their a*ses I'll be running "fake" oil in the bike....

Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bhodge on Jul 16, 2009, 01:57:46 pm
That is crazy, I have not heard of that!  Are they sure it is the same set?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Jul 16, 2009, 02:37:44 pm


That's what the guys told me....both the Service Manager and the Mechanic who did the work....makes me nervous....

Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bhodge on Jul 16, 2009, 02:57:27 pm
I hope that is the last time you will have an issue with them.  If something else comes up, give me a shout and we can get you fixed up.

Thanks,

Brent
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Jul 16, 2009, 03:03:17 pm
Yeah,

If I have further problems with the lifters, I'll be taking her up to Tejas for sure!

Thanks Brent,

Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TheOhiomike on Jul 16, 2009, 04:04:49 pm
Hey Brent what is the part number for the lifters maybe we can cross refrence them with a chrysler/buick/gm part like we did with the warriors?
Odd Fire
Melling Engine Parts
Part # JB-2011


They have been doing this over on the Roadstar forum and warrior for years. Shows Mellings JB2011, or Sealed Power HT2011 as replacement lifters for the 1600/1700. Looks like Yamaha lifters are just plain weak.. The V6/v8 lifters should last forever.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bigmike on Jul 16, 2009, 04:57:23 pm
My raider is 09 with 500 miles and i believe i have a bad knocking sound coming from the top of the engine,  I was sitting at a red light the guy next to me heard the sound and asked what that knock was from.

I also have some sort of greasy residue on the right side of the back rim after every ride, i have no idea where it is coming from either.

going to the dealer for first service and to check out these issues,  called dealer on the phone to ask him about the knocking sound, his answer made me mad, he said all v-twins make that sound its normal, my road star didn't, my 105th anniv v-rod doesn't, Ireally hope its not a bad lifter after 500 miles.

Big MIke
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Jul 16, 2009, 05:02:07 pm
BigMike, I have my lifters on order. It seems it is a typical problem with the Raider. I first started hearing that knock near 500 miles. Take it in and make them fix it, thats why we have warrenties
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bigmike on Jul 16, 2009, 05:22:42 pm
Since they used this motor in the statoliner/roadliner are any of those guys having the same issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bhodge on Jul 16, 2009, 06:15:38 pm
Let me go look and see if I still have some of the old lifters here.  As far as the lifters being weak, I don't think that we have a problem.  Yamaha just had a bad batch from their supplier.  Looks like it was an error in the casting or milling process.  In general the lifters are not failing due to bad design.  Looks to me like more of a quality control issue.

Thanks,

Brent
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Jul 16, 2009, 11:22:29 pm
My noise is at start up after the bike has been sitting awhile ( overnite)
It knocks from 30 seconds to a couple of minutes then goes away. I have reaper tips and it sounds like your banging on a car hood (embarrassing to say the least) Can't wait till those parts come in
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sfcrick on Jul 17, 2009, 06:30:39 am
14,000 miles no problem.....runs like a NASCAR stock car!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Jul 17, 2009, 08:36:29 am
14,000 miles no problem.....runs like a NASCAR stock car!

+1
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jul 17, 2009, 09:44:28 am
My raider is 09 with 500 miles and i believe i have a bad knocking sound coming from the top of the engine,  I was sitting at a red light the guy next to me heard the sound and asked what that knock was from.

I also have some sort of greasy residue on the right side of the back rim after every ride, i have no idea where it is coming from either.

going to the dealer for first service and to check out these issues,  called dealer on the phone to ask him about the knocking sound, his answer made me mad, he said all v-twins make that sound its normal, my road star didn't, my 105th anniv v-rod doesn't, Ireally hope its not a bad lifter after 500 miles.

Big MIke

The grease on the back rim is because Yamaha over-greases the rear axel...I have the same problem.  At least that's what service told me.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bhodge on Jul 17, 2009, 09:46:58 am
TRUST ME you know if you have a bad lifter!  Sounds like the rod is about to come thru the case!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Madcow on Jul 17, 2009, 01:35:48 pm
ohhh good I don't have bad lifter after all. I kept hearing a click made me think lifter but, now I think its that exhaust baffle thingy. Does it mostly in the morning when the motor is cool.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: THUNDER on Jul 18, 2009, 07:15:42 am
11,000 and no problems and hope it stays that way.....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Jul 18, 2009, 08:36:54 am
5600 miles and so far no problems, I am hopin it stays that way also.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bamf on Jul 18, 2009, 03:06:43 pm
ohhh good I don't have bad lifter after all. I kept hearing a click made me think lifter but, now I think its that exhaust baffle thingy. Does it mostly in the morning when the motor is cool.

On an air-cooled V-Twin you'll hear some kinda 'click' if you wanna call it.  It isn't even the same ballpark as the sound a bad lifter makes.  If you have a bad lifter, you're gonna damn well know it.  No worries, as long as the lifter don't collapse you're all good.  And if it does collapse, you should probably call up your local Yamaha dealer screaming and cursing at them.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Fasthotrod on Jul 18, 2009, 05:46:07 pm
I have the same problem... started right at the 600 mile point. Only happens when it is cold, lasts until the bike warms up. It's a 'knock-knock-knock' sound for sure, but becomes smooth after a while.  Today I noticed some ticking even when warm so it's probably time to take it in and have the lifters swapped out.

Mark
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: robt on Jul 18, 2009, 07:33:48 pm
i also had my lifters replaced on my raider at about da 400 mile point. it still makes da knocking noise but like an earlier post said it goes away after 3 or 4 minutes. gonna keep riding it till i guess it blows up on me
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: WilCon on Jul 18, 2009, 07:55:37 pm
I take it it's a super loud knock?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: robt on Jul 18, 2009, 08:01:02 pm
oh yeah youll definetly know this knocking....sounds like someone banging a big pair of click clacks
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: v8_vega on Jul 19, 2009, 01:29:09 am
I have had mine replaced. Just recently though I get a tick or 2 in the mornings. Nothing major as the time before replacement. If what it is doing now is the worst it ever gets, then I can handle it. Just "Tick, Tick, Tick and then gone.

Jesse
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TheOhiomike on Jul 19, 2009, 06:55:08 am
This is the official tech bulletin from Yamaha 2/2/05
                                          TECH EXCHANGE


Explanation of engine mechanical noise characteristics
XV1600/1700 Road Star models

Please use the information in this bulletin to assist you in handling customer concerns about normal engine noise

Yamaha designed the Road Star to be a very special motorcycle, the heart of which is it's enormous v-twin engine. Our goals were to build a big-bore, high torque engine in the tradition of classic motorcycles that have long been part of the American landscape.  We also wanted it to have the exceptionally clean, muscular lines that without a doubt would draw attention to the Road Star.

Several engineering decisions were made to accomplish our goals.  For example, we chose traditional no-fuss air-cooling so as not to have a radiator detract from the bikes clean lines.  We chose proven push-rod valve actuation to give the engine it's particular style, as well as it's particular height and weight distribution characteristics.  We also gave it 98-102-cubic inch displacement-bigger than many car engines-with massive internal components like a crankshaft that alone weighs a hefty 45lbs.

If a customer should question the overall engine noise level, explain to them that certain mechanical operating noises from the engine are expected, and the Road Star is no exception.  It has engine-operating sounds  that are inherent precisely  because of the type of engine that it is.  The air cooled engine design used for the Road Star, unlike liquid-cooled engines, does not have a sound deadening , liquid-filled jacket surrounding most of the sound-producing mechanical engine components.  What is at issue is what are normal and abnormal noises.

Remind the customer that this is a very large air-cooled engine.  Aluminum and other metal components expand when they get hot, and the engine is designed with operating tolerances to accommodate for this expected characteristic of the metal.  The result is that the customer will likely hear more overall mechanical noises from the engine when it's hot and the oil is thinner.

Above all, make sure the customer is aware that the Road Star engine is proving itself to be extremely reliable and we are confident that Road Star will deliver trustworthy performance for years to come.  assure them that normal mechanical noises are not the sign of impending engine failure.

Engine Noise Analysis
tapping noise from camshaft area

Normal Noise    READ THIS!!!!!!During initial engine start-up, the customer may occasionally hear a tapping noise from the camshaft area and, within a few minutes, the noise subsides.  explain that this is due to extra clearance at the push rod end before the hydraulic lifter is pumped up.  When the engine is turned off and it stops in a position where one of the valves is open, that lifter will bleed down over time due to the constant pressure applied to the lifter by the valve spring.  When the engine is restarted, a small amount of air may enter the lifter and it can take a few minutes for the air to bleed out of the lifter and self adjust to proper clearance.
Abnormal Noise
Constant tapping noise regardless of engine temperature - may be caused by what is called a flat lifter.  if the piston inside the hydraulic lifter becomes scratched, the lifter will not be able to hold the compressed oil inside to take up the valve/push rod clearance.  explain that a failed lifter will need to be replaced.

Ticking Noise from Cylinder Head Area

Normal Noise
Explain that a light ticking noise is normal due to the compact air-cooled design of the cylinder heads, which allows the sound of rocker arm loading/unloading and valve-to-valve eat contact to be heard.  Clarify that the ticking noise may increase slightly as the engine gets hot where the engine parts expand and the oil thins down.
Abnormal Noise
A consistently loud ticking noise, regardless of engine temperature may be caused by an improper valve clearance adjustment.  Explain that this engine is designed  with 2 intake valves and 2 exhaust vales per cylinder.  The single rocker opens and closes both valves at the same time.  One side of the rocker is nonadjustable and the clearance is self adjusted by the hydraulic lifter.  The other side is adjustable and must be adjusted so the valve contact point is the same as the other side.

Knocking Noise from Crankshaft Area

Normal Noise
When an extremely hot engine is idling, the customer may hear what some describe as a light knocking noise coming from the crankshaft area, primarily from the right side.  The noise is more pronounced if the idle speed drops below 900rpm.  this is a normal engine noise.
Explain that the Road Star engine is designed to produce very high torque at low engine operating rpm.  Because of this low operating rpm, for the alternator to produce sufficient electrical output to support the system, the alternator is driven off of a jackshaft which is geared to the crankshaft and spins at approximately 2 time the engine rpm.
As the engine heats up and the aluminum crankcase expands, the gear lash (clearance) is increased between the alternator shaft drive and driven gear.  Inform the customer that, normally, the oil viscosity dampens the gear contact surfaces and helps reduce mechanical noise.  However, in this case, the oil is thin which reduces the damping effect.
Under these conditions, if the machine is put into 1st gear and the engine is loaded down below 500 rpm with the brakes applied, the described knocking noise will become even more pronounced.  Explain that this is because of several factors.  1st, the ignition timing is set for 900 rpm idle speed.  At below 500 rpm, the timing is too far advanced and causes early combustion which will try to force the piston down in the opposite direction.  2nd, at such low rpm, the oil pressure is also very low which affect the damping effect at crankshaft plain bearings.  Combine these factors  with the slow spinning alternator shaft which is juddering  from the magnetic field of the alternator rotor, the engine will make some mechanical noises.  Reassure the customer that this is common with any engine design and does not indicate excessive wear/clearance of components or impending failure.
Abnormal Noise
If the engine is consistently making what is described as a knocking noise regardless of engine temperature or load, convey that it may be due to a bearing or bearing surface failure at the upper or lower connecting rod or crankshaft plain bearings.  if your customer is concerned that a normal operating noise is impending bearing failure, remind him or her that bearing failures get progressively worse in a short time.  if the noise hasn't been getting worse or even seems to "fix itself" from time to time, it's not a bearing failure.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: WilCon on Jul 19, 2009, 07:00:12 am
Completely excellent article on the characteristics of an air-cooled motor.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ps54888 on Jul 19, 2009, 07:10:21 am
i had same thing happen one of the rear lifts went bad took back to dealer and replace soo far so good it happened around 400 miles and now have over 2000
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: THUNDER on Jul 19, 2009, 07:14:25 am
Good write up will have to put a sticky on this....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ace on Jul 19, 2009, 07:28:57 am
Good write up will have to put a sticky on this....

Done.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TheOhiomike on Jul 19, 2009, 07:36:15 am
I was going to title it a new thread with a title of "What are these noises in my head" ..lol..
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ace on Jul 19, 2009, 07:39:18 am
I was going to title it a new thread with a title of "What are these noises in my head" ..lol..

Those are the ones telling you to add another toy to the collection!!  :D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Madcow on Jul 20, 2009, 06:48:31 am
Where else could a regular guy find factory information like that? LOVE this site!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bigmike on Jul 25, 2009, 02:52:46 pm
My 09 with 500 miles is now at the shop getting the two front cylinders lifters replaced, tried to get them to do all four but they said they wanted to do these and check again after they road test it.  I will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hickninshaw on Jul 25, 2009, 03:21:12 pm
just out of curiosity.....how many miles are those of you that are having problems with the lifters getting on the bikes before the lifters fail??? i've got 5500 on mine now and we are getting on towards winter now and the end of my warranty so its making me kinda nervous.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: WilCon on Jul 25, 2009, 03:36:24 pm
From all the posts I have read it is pretty early on. Less than 1k and usually at 500 miles.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TheOhiomike on Jul 25, 2009, 03:43:59 pm
Honestly even out of warranty you will probably be covered. You can goto a few raider sites and document the defect by printing it out and a good dealer would get it covered. I will be shocked if in the next 6 months NHTSA doesn't come out with a bullitin. Yamaha is a decent company to work with its the dealers that are scary..
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Jul 25, 2009, 07:06:26 pm
Honestly even out of warranty you will probably be covered. its the dealers that are scary..

+500
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Jul 25, 2009, 07:40:30 pm
Honestly even out of warranty you will probably be covered. its the dealers that are scary..

+500

Sure glad I have Tejas....      :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Jul 25, 2009, 07:48:27 pm
Honestly even out of warranty you will probably be covered. its the dealers that are scary..

+500

Sure glad I have Tejas....      :ohyeah:

I wish I lived closer so that I could have TEJAS.....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Jul 25, 2009, 09:45:53 pm
Lets hope Yamaha does the right thing
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MELVILLE on Aug 01, 2009, 01:30:30 am
I asked the service manager today at my local dealership if he had heard anything about the lifters. I informed him about what all I have read here. He said "yamah put out a bulliten stating that the lifters in the Raider are very noisy." He then told me if I start to hear them get louder the lifters are fine. Boy do I hope mine end up being ok.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bhodge on Aug 01, 2009, 08:49:57 am
Everyone that has been done around here had less than 1000 miles.  I think they go bad up front, so if you have put more on it than that you are probably ok.

Brent
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MELVILLE on Aug 01, 2009, 02:06:32 pm
So far I only have 734 mi. on the bike. Sometimes on cold starts They make a crazy racket but only for quick second.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 510raider on Aug 01, 2009, 06:13:27 pm
I had one lifter go bad at 400 miles. Dealer air freighted a new one in so I could make a trip I planned. Then two weeks later they called me and said yamaha wants all lifters replaced even if they are not making noise.  So I have had all lifters changed  out at under 1000 miles. Now at 2500 miles I am getting start up clacks just like the first one. Dealer wants me to leave bike with them to check it out, fine with me I am nervous about all these issues with a new bike. Anyone else have his????
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RAIDERIDER on Aug 04, 2009, 07:41:32 am
Iam getting at start up a slight clacking sound but only for a second & then its gone , its almost like the oil needs to flow through . I dont like the sound at start up but it purrs nice after that , iam hoping its normal engine noise.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 510raider on Aug 11, 2009, 09:48:38 pm
Just dropped my bike off at the dealer. They heard it on start up clacking.  They called Yamaha and were told that some of the bad lifters were being sent out to dealers for replacement. Then they said they would send four more out to replace my lifters again. I have no complaints even though this is annoying the dealer and yamaha have been great to me. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: WilCon on Aug 11, 2009, 09:49:53 pm
Stupid thread had me paranoid. I was hearing a reverb from the Cobra Dragsters, the pulse had just the right sound in helmet. Grrr.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Aug 11, 2009, 09:54:51 pm
Yamaha wants to get it right for you now you just need to make sure that your dealer does their part.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wingnuut on Aug 18, 2009, 06:34:01 pm
Picked up my 09 raider and at 60 miles it sounded like a diesel their tearing it apart today will see what happens Yamaha said they are having probs with lifters
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Aug 19, 2009, 10:42:56 am
Picked up my 09 raider and at 60 miles it sounded like a diesel their tearing it apart today will see what happens Yamaha said they are having probs with lifters


Lets hope that all things are fine. Its a damn shame that things like this are happening to new units.

Keep the faith brother, If something is wrong it will get taken care of.....

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Aug 19, 2009, 01:03:27 pm
I think that now since I have a couple of contacts at Yamaha's corporate office I should ask them about the issues with these lifters and try to get some answers on their plan for the fix.  I will get back and do a post once I get back some real answers.
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Aug 19, 2009, 01:06:35 pm
I think that now since I have a couple of contacts at Yamaha's corporate office I should ask them about the issues with these lifters and try to get some answers on their plan for the fix.  I will get back and do a post once I get back some real answers.
Swomack

Mr. Swomack,

That would be great if you would do that for us. Maybe Yami is planning a recall?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 19, 2009, 01:38:21 pm
Cool of ya Swo, It well be nice to know if they just want to do a re-call.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Aug 20, 2009, 08:10:21 am
My bike is in getting the lifters replaced after only 130 miles...  Should get the bike back tomorrow!  Just in time for a nice weekend... 

There is no mistaking the issue when it occurs.  It is not a slight tapping... It is a solid knock that goes away after the oil pressure comes up.  Once the oil pressure comes up, it takes about 3 to 4 hours for the lifter to leak back down for the problem to re-occur. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Aug 20, 2009, 08:35:57 am
My bike is in getting the lifters replaced after only 130 miles...  Should get the bike back tomorrow!  Just in time for a nice weekend... 

There is no mistaking the issue when it occurs.  It is not a slight tapping... It is a solid knock that goes away after the oil pressure comes up.  Once the oil pressure comes up, it takes about 3 to 4 hours for the lifter to leak back down for the problem to re-occur. 

At least it was a quick turn around.   Hopefully, this issue will not arise again.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wingnuut on Aug 20, 2009, 06:45:29 pm
I was told on 8-19 that there were no lifters in the USA they said by 8-21 they should arrive in cypress calf. then air ship 4 lifters to my dealer. i had 1 bad lifter yamaha said to replace them all
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hickninshaw on Aug 20, 2009, 09:45:47 pm
sounds like they are at least going to start replacing all lifters in the engine on an as fails basis anyway that's good. better than a total recall. at least that way you don't have to down your bike and have the engine torn into for nothing wrong. one thing i've learned is that if it ain't broke don't F*(k with it, it opens up the opertunity for mistakes.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 21, 2009, 04:56:22 am
True Hickinshaw, Valves are made in batches, So it seems like a bad batch made it through QC some how? Mine is cool so far but I do keep a third ear on it for sure. :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JRW09Raider on Aug 22, 2009, 04:25:06 pm
OK....so i'm confused....my bike also makes the solid clacking sound right at start up only for a quick sec and then sounds fine......so is this the "bad lifter" issue everyone is talking about???....or is that normal with the raider????.....or does it have to be a constant clacking that never goes away for it to be concidered bad lifters???any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 22, 2009, 04:32:27 pm
I would say thats the sound of a bad lifter in the making! It does not happen on my ride.. taker her in for sure bro.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Aug 24, 2009, 08:09:24 am
That sounds like the same issue that I had. 

When the dealer had pulled the lifters, you could visually tell the stuck lifter. The inner part of the lifter had stuck in its bore.  This cannot be good for the valvetrain or the cams..  That much slack in the valve train will cause issues over time.  Get it fixed ASAP.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Aug 24, 2009, 02:11:31 pm
That sounds like the same issue that I had. 

When the dealer had pulled the lifters, you could visually tell the stuck lifter. The inner part of the lifter had stuck in its bore.  This cannot be good for the valvetrain or the cams..  That much slack in the valve train will cause issues over time.  Get it fixed ASAP.

 :agree:

I would get that worked on and fixed ASAP before more bad thing start to happen to your sled.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 24, 2009, 02:49:39 pm
OK....so i'm confused....my bike also makes the solid clacking sound right at start up only for a quick sec and then sounds fine......so is this the "bad lifter" issue everyone is talking about???....or is that normal with the raider????.....or does it have to be a constant clacking that never goes away for it to be concidered bad lifters???any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!
Once your oil is pumped up it goes away as I read your post, with that said your lifters are likey to be loose, A loose lifter can cause more lobe wear then a stuck one. just some info for ya.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JRW09Raider on Aug 26, 2009, 07:34:35 am
thanks for the info fellas.....I called the dealership where i purchased it yesterday and he said he that he had heard nothing of this problem with the raider???.....My buddy who works at another yamaha dealership was standing right there and told him to check YDS....thats where the bulletin was supposedly at....his dealership had done 4 jobs on raiders due to bad lifters....so now I've got to find a dealership that has a clue thats close to me...want this fixed ASAP....Nobody wants to spend 13000 and end up with a turd down the road!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Aug 26, 2009, 07:57:08 am
Oh... So there is no problem with the lifters eh?...  LOL 
 
Here is a photo of the lifters out of mine.   There is definitely a problem.  You can see that 2 of the lifters are stuck. 

(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt220/Snakestang65/IMAG0155.jpg)

Sorry for the photo quality, but you get the point.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:14:04 am
thanks for the info fellas.....I called the dealership where i purchased it yesterday and he said he that he had heard nothing of this problem with the raider???.....My buddy who works at another yamaha dealership was standing right there and told him to check YDS....thats where the bulletin was supposedly at....his dealership had done 4 jobs on raiders due to bad lifters....so now I've got to find a dealership that has a clue thats close to me...want this fixed ASAP....Nobody wants to spend 13000 and end up with a turd down the road!!!

I am a bit far from you in southern IN... I am fairly certain the dealer here would be willing to help.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 26, 2009, 04:38:09 pm
yep, bad batch got sent back from the heat treaters for sure...thats why there sticking..
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bamf on Aug 26, 2009, 06:59:49 pm
Ugh!  Took the Raider on a really long ride this weekend (150ish miles) and came back, shut it down....started it back up and I heard what can only be described as the sound dice makes while being shaken.  Sound got less obvious once the bike was warmed up - but I've owned V-Twins before and none of them made that kinda sound.  I'm gonna be pissed if I have to take it back to the dealer, especially when they JUST did an inspection 500 miles ago!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Lifesbeengood on Aug 30, 2009, 12:11:24 pm
Just found this forum when searching for "Raider Engine Knock" problems.  Looks like I am not alone.  I have a 2009 Raider S with less than 1000 miles and I'm having the same severe engine knock problems.  Sounds like Yamaha needs to step up and address this issue formally.  Does anyone know if there is a recall for this problem?

Other than the frightening engine knock, I absolutely love this bike!  I hope Yamaha will come up with a permanent fix so it doesn't happen again as soon as its out of warranty.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Aug 30, 2009, 12:23:03 pm
Just found this forum when searching for "Raider Engine Knock" problems.  Looks like I am not alone.  I have a 2009 Raider S with less than 1000 miles and I'm having the same severe engine knock problems.  Sounds like Yamaha needs to step up and address this issue formally.  Does anyone know if there is a recall for this problem?

Other than the frightening engine knock, I absolutely love this bike!  I hope Yamaha will come up with a permanent fix so it doesn't happen again as soon as its out of warranty.

LBG,

Check out this thread.

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=1758.msg27984#msg27984
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JRW09Raider on Aug 31, 2009, 04:13:47 pm
so I called that number off the link a couple of posts up....and the girl told me that they know nothing about the lifter problem????......so is this turning into some kind of cover up?????........I just want my bike fixed...this is really starting to pizz me off!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 31, 2009, 06:21:39 pm
They know nothing they told you!, thats freeking BS bro, I spoke with a dealer and was told he was in direct contact with yamaha on this and that they were aware of the amount of valve problems and it was a heat treatment issue.. they are doing a case by case fix as the exact batch was already out on the line and installed, the problem should go away as they weed out the bad ones.

gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JRW09Raider on Aug 31, 2009, 06:52:08 pm
well what should i do??????
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Aug 31, 2009, 07:23:57 pm
I read back, Gotta ask, did you get it in for an inspection yet?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Sep 01, 2009, 01:06:01 pm
well what should i do??????

Check your PM...

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JRW09Raider on Sep 01, 2009, 01:18:23 pm
I read back, Gotta ask, did you get it in for an inspection yet?

Well I had it in for the 600 mile sevice alomst 2 weeks ago and brought it to thier attention then....with no avail...the service manager said they didn't find anything "too outa the ordinary" but wouldnt elaborate on that comment???....so anyhow...John, I called Keith and am awaiting a return call!!!...Thanks a bunch...see where it goes from here!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dreadly on Sep 01, 2009, 01:51:20 pm
I have to take my bike in for it's 1000km service ... I'll be sure to make note of the lifter issue. I'm not sure what I'm hearing is normal V Twin noise or possible issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 01, 2009, 02:31:54 pm
I read back, Gotta ask, did you get it in for an inspection yet?



Well I had it in for the 600 mile service almost 2 weeks ago and brought it to their attention then....with no avail...the service manager said they didn't find anything "too outta the ordinary" but wouldn't elaborate on that comment???....so anyhow...John, I called Keith and am awaiting a return call!!!...Thanks a bunch...see where it goes from here!!!

I'm sure you already thought of taking it to a different dealer, anything close to you?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Sep 01, 2009, 04:20:52 pm
I read back, Gotta ask, did you get it in for an inspection yet?

Well I had it in for the 600 mile sevice alomst 2 weeks ago and brought it to thier attention then....with no avail...the service manager said they didn't find anything "too outa the ordinary" but wouldnt elaborate on that comment???....so anyhow...John, I called Keith and am awaiting a return call!!!...Thanks a bunch...see where it goes from here!!!

Glad to help.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wingnuut on Sep 01, 2009, 06:08:07 pm
As i said in a previous post my lifters went at 60 miles the dealer air shipped next day they were told by yamaha to replace all 4 it took 3 days total and a free oil change . iam very happy with the results and it goes like jet stink! . Ihave a fjr1300 also up to 100 on a roll on the raider gets it.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 01, 2009, 06:59:49 pm
Let me just say, They could not get to mine before my sturgis trip. They said go ahead and go, it should be fine. 5000 miles later the problem has gotten worse. it now take 5 to 10 minutes to "settle down" and could start up again even when warm. Took it to the dealer and no problem, they are replacing both front and rear lifters and both camshaft assemblies to to be on the safe side. My point being, they might not think you have a problem now, but they will... keep driving it and having them check it, worse case scenio is you will get a new motor
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Sep 01, 2009, 07:03:01 pm
WELL....my bike is going in for a THIRD time for the lifters....WTF


Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 01, 2009, 07:30:17 pm
you might want to talk to brent bro...3 times, If I could look for myself I could help.Sorry to hear this.

gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: WilCon on Sep 01, 2009, 07:32:27 pm
WELL....my bike is going in for a THIRD time for the lifters....WTF


Anthony

Have they let you see the lifters they took out before?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Sep 02, 2009, 07:27:04 am
WELL....my bike is going in for a THIRD time for the lifters....WTF


Anthony

Have they let you see the lifters they took out before?

Take a look on page 5 at the photo that I posted of my failed lifters to see what defective ones look like for reference.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JRW09Raider on Sep 02, 2009, 03:02:49 pm
Hey thanks again John....talked to Keith for about a half an hour on this issue....he deffinately gave me some piece of mind...my bike only makes the "clacking" sound for about 3-5 sec's on start up and its only occassionaly...appearantly that is something that is common with this engine...so...if the "clacking" starts to last longer than 3-5 sec's then I will def take it somewhere to get fixed.....but after I got off the phone and went outside to start it to see if it would "clack" again.....it wouldn't start....three times it would crank then die???...the fourth time it cranked started for a split second, died and started puking black smoke out the top exhaust pipe (rear cylinder)....like there was fuel in the combustion chamber that was burning and the exhaust valve was open???...so hurried to start it again and then it fired and ran fine???....anybody else experience this or have an idea???....sorry not trying to hijack the thread!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 04, 2009, 10:49:54 am
I'm bummed...only two rides...70 miles, and 500 miles. Started my new raider to take it in for the 600 mile service and the bitch started knocking so hard i thaught it was going to come apart. By the time i arrived at the dealer ( approx. 12 miles ) the knocking was gone. After the bike was serviced they started it and got the att. of the whole shop. I guess it was knocking real loud. now they tell me new cam and lifters...they don't how long it's going to take to repair. the temp. is going to be down to the high 90s a long holiday week end and my new scooter is broke...i'm bummed
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 04, 2009, 10:53:19 am
Another Raider lifter issue!   Dropped my 09 off with 950 miles at my dealer last night with the clank/clank noise.  I had just changed the oil 3 days ago with Mobil 1 Vtwin 20x50 and a M1-110 Mobil filter and replaced the gear box lube with Mobil 75w90.  My service tech says that they dont know anything about lifter issues and that it could be my oil and or the filter!  I wanted to just stangle him at that point.  They are tearing it down today, but I am wondering if they are going to try to screw me due to the filter not being the stock one.  I also had the parts guys lookup the avaliabilty of the lifters and none are in stock in the U.S.!  Does any one know of a cross ref. such as the Sealed Power HT  2011 lifters would work?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: reistle1 on Sep 04, 2009, 12:35:40 pm
The Raider uses the same lifters as the Warrior.They are the same as a small block chevy as I have been told on the rswarrior website.I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 04, 2009, 03:41:40 pm
 Here we go!  Recieved a call from the svc dept and they said the issue was too much oil (what!) and that I used Mobil Synthetic oil and not the Yamaha dino oil.  They also said that Yamaha was going to replace the lifters this time only and that I need to run the Yamaha dino oil for now on and not to put in any synthetic oil and that includes Yamaha synthetic lube!   O, its going to take up to 4 weeks also!   I flipped my lid! 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 04, 2009, 07:47:58 pm
Ok, talked to Yamaha customer support and they said run the Mobil oil!  It meets and or surpass Yamaha oil and also that my lifters are being dropped shipped to the dealer next week from the vendor.  I then went to the dealer to tell the svc manager what Yamaha had said and he said he wouldnt put in Mobil 1.  I then went to the owner and gave him a piece of my mind about the whole thing!  He then told me he would try to make it right and then said he would sell me the extended warranty at cost.  OH, the bike was never touched, still in one piece in storage!  What sucks is I had a ride planed for this Sunday, but I guess Ill load up my Sportsman 700 X2 and hit the hills!

Now Im second guessing the raider purchase and looked a little harder at the Victory. ???
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Sep 04, 2009, 09:07:27 pm
Ok, talked to Yamaha customer support and they said run the Mobil oil!  It meets and or surpass Yamaha oil and also that my lifters are being dropped shipped to the dealer next week from the vendor.  I then went to the dealer to tell the svc manager what Yamaha had said and he said he wouldnt put in Mobil 1.  I then went to the owner and gave him a piece of my mind about the whole thing!  He then told me he would try to make it right and then said he would sell me the extended warranty at cost.  OH, the bike was never touched, still in one piece in storage!  What sucks is I had a ride planed for this Sunday, but I guess Ill load up my Sportsman 700 X2 and hit the hills!

Now Im second guessing the raider purchase and looked a little harder at the Victory. ???

XT,

do not second guess this bike. I strongly suggest loading your ride and finding a gold star rated dealer/service center. This guy is jaking you around. I would have him call your contact and get the straight scoop directly from Yami custome support.

What these 2 clowns are doing is hurting, not only u, but everyone else that walks in the door.

Play it safe. Find someone else......

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 04, 2009, 09:33:01 pm
As far as oil, I run Amsoil 20-50 VTwin ... No lifter problems... Being as I'm at around 27,000 miles, I'm finally getting around to adjusting the valves this weekend.

FYI: Rocker Cover Gaskets are on backorder from Yamaha... I picked up two of them at Stadium Yamaha today, they supposedly had 4 in stock... So, if anyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area is looking to adjust their valves soon, call Race out at Stadium and see if they still have the remaining two.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Sep 04, 2009, 10:12:34 pm
As far as oil, I run Amsoil 20-50 VTwin ... No lifter problems... Being as I'm at around 27,000 miles, I'm finally getting around to adjusting the valves this weekend.

FYI: Rocker Cover Gaskets are on backorder from Yamaha... I picked up two of them at Stadium Yamaha today, they supposedly had 4 in stock... So, if anyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area is looking to adjust their valves soon, call Race out at Stadium and see if they still have the remaining two.



NTR,

Not to question your judgement, but why are you adjusting a hydraulic lifter/valve set? My tech/svc mgr says not needed on hydraulic set ups.

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 04, 2009, 10:20:26 pm
Service manual actually recommends it... IF valve train noice increases...

I've noticed a little more valve train noise over the last few thousand miles... Of course, I put more miles on than the average Raider Rider... LOL! 51 weeks, almost 27K miles... over 525 miles a week on average
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Sep 04, 2009, 10:22:29 pm
Service manual actually recommends it... IF valve train noice increases...

I've noticed a little more valve train noise over the last few thousand miles... Of course, I put more miles on than the average Raider Rider... LOL! 51 weeks, almost 27K miles... over 525 miles a week on average

Understand.......

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 04, 2009, 10:23:28 pm
BTW ... Even Hydraulic lifter setups can require adjustment... Unlike most automotive Hyraulic lifter setups however, on air cooled bikes, they do require a very small amount of lash, as they can run hotter and the resultant expansion makes up for the lash.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 510raider on Sep 07, 2009, 10:54:47 pm
I got 300 miles on my second set of lifters.  Went out today and same crap again clack clack clack!!!!!! This is getting very old.   How hard is to get good parts or is their more to this than the lifters???  I'll call my dealer again tomarrow hopefully third time is the charm.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 07, 2009, 11:40:00 pm
I got 300 miles on my second set of lifters.  Went out today and same crap again clack clack clack!!!!!! This is getting very old.   How hard is to get good parts or is their more to this than the lifters???  I'll call my dealer again tomarrow hopefully third time is the charm.
Holy cow! Again?

The Raider Lifters are as follows...   SKU: 4WM-12153-10-00 LIFTER, VALVE (backordered) $27.25
The Warrior Lifters are the same ... SKU: 4WM-12153-10-00 LIFTER, VALVE (backordered) $27.25

Which means that the lifters that PR markets at http://www.patrickracingbillet.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Racing_Parts&Category_Code=Yamaha_Cam_Kits (http://www.patrickracingbillet.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Racing_Parts&Category_Code=Yamaha_Cam_Kits) as part of their cam kit for the Warrior should work on the Raider!

Has anyone checked with PR to find out if they will sell lifters separately from their cam kits?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 08, 2009, 03:45:18 pm
 >:( I am at my FX%$*&^ End!  Called Yamaha Corp today on status and was told that no lifters were on there way and that the last rep didnt say anything to that nature!  I was put to the top of the list for lifters when they do come in and they felt like extending my warranty by 3 months.  No clue when the lifters will be in and I told this rep what I thought of all this and all I got out of him was a sorry and here is 3 more months on your warranty!  Told my dealer to exchange the raider they have on the floor for mine and he just looked at me and said its up to Yamaha.   One note, I said my dealer didnt even open it up to see if any thing else was damaged and the rep said that they only have had the lifters go and nothing else, but in the same breath he said there was no known problems with the bikes??? 

I should have bought the Victory!!! Never had a issue with my Polaris atvs and no problem gettting parts for them also!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 08, 2009, 04:21:37 pm
Just got back from Yam dealer.....no lifters in country....called Yam. rep. talked to Joselyn...she tried to blow smoke up my......theres no lifter problems.....owned my raider for 13 days...so far my garage for 5 days the repair shop for 8 days...they don't when I'll get it back...should have bought HD
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Sep 08, 2009, 04:39:52 pm
Just got back from Yam dealer.....no lifters in country....called Yam. rep. talked to Joselyn...she tried to blow smoke up my......theres no lifter problems.....owned my raider for 13 days...so far my garage for 5 days the repair shop for 8 days...they don't when I'll get it back...should have bought HD


You should go back to your dealer and tell them that you want a new Raider.
Let the dealer and Yamaha work it out.
I am truly sorry to here that you guys are having issues but I have 30,000 plus miles on my raider and it has been overall a great bike.
Don't think that the Raider isn't a great bike because you guys are having issues.
I would be pissed off as well but Yamaha has to make it right for you guys.
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 08, 2009, 07:08:42 pm
I would really like to know just how many raider owners are having lifter problems.( I'm so tech. challenged...my cell phones are obsolete before I can learn how to use them.) would some one smarter then me make a page on the internet to find out.....and while your there invite the replys to our road star raider forum
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 09, 2009, 06:57:16 am
lemon law, ?????
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 09, 2009, 08:33:00 am
The last rep from yamaha kept saying that I had use the wrong oil!  I told him that Mobil 1 V-twin was better than the yamaha crap and then said that it was the full synthetic that was the issue and then I said yamaha sells syn oil also and he then said the owners manual says to use reg oil 10w40 and then I had to tell him reread the manual!  It also says to use 20x40 on the bottom of the seat which I dont think they even make it!  I just wanted to pull him through the phone! >:(

I am about ready to buy the HT-2011 lifters and just have them put them in but keep getting the run around from the dealer saying that yamaha would cover the bill.

They also said they would only cover motor issues if I use Yamaha oil for now on!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 09, 2009, 09:15:00 am
Sh*t happens...I understand how a run of bad parts can reach the assembly line...it sure wakes up Q C for awhile. What has me pissed is Yamaha and the dealers has had to know of this issue for months. Why are there no replacement parts available. Yamaha tells me that they never send parts with out a order from the dealer. The dealer says..why should I stock parts for a problem that yamaha  has decided is a case by case fix. I was told yesterday that there were no parts in the USA. Its hard for me to be leave that yamaha and the dealers are willing to let a new bike sit for 2 and 3 weeks waiting on parts...just knowing what it has to be doing to the rider.
         I bet MFG. and dealers hate the internet......it use to take a long time for issues like this to come to light
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 09, 2009, 09:28:50 am
Sh&t happens was told to me from the dealer and I replied "not on a bike with less that 950 miles and 6 months old!"  I guess sh$t happens alot! >:(

Going to call Yamaha every day until parts are sent just to say sh&t happens!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 09, 2009, 09:49:44 pm
Other than these lifters collapsing, is there any evidence of abnormal frictional wear on the bottoms of the lifters? If so, then the camshaft that that lifter rides on really needs to be replaced... Unfortunately, Patrick Racing (nor anyone else that I kow of) produces a camshaft for the XV1900 as of yet.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 10, 2009, 01:57:52 am
not yet NTx, But they will  :0)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 10, 2009, 07:35:24 am
I was told the cam is OK. I'm surprised..as hard as the motor was knocking.I don't know how far the travel is for the push rods, but it sounded like it was well into its stroke before it made contact. Don't know where the heavy hit would get absorb...( lifter/ cam...lifter/ pushrod...pushrod/ rocker.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Lifesbeengood on Sep 10, 2009, 09:40:46 am
I dropped my Raider off at the dealer on Aug 30th.  They were well aware of this problem and took it in without question.  When they tried to order the new replacement lifters they were originally told it would take 30 DAYS!!! >:(
The dealer immediately called Customer Relations to complain and got the ship date moved up to Sept 9th. I called to check on it yesterday and the lifters still had not come in.  Luckily for me I am working with a very reputable dealer who is working hard on my behalf.  They seem to be just as frustrated and pissed off as their customers are. 

It looks like Yamaha has really dropped the ball on this one.  I don't know how we go about it, but I think Raider owners should unite and DEMAND that Yamaha extend the factory warranty for 1 year beyond the date these lifters are replaced.  When you drop $14K on a motorcycle you should expect to be treated better than this.  ???
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 10, 2009, 10:16:27 am
Adding an extra year...preferrably two would be great but in this economy...It won't happen.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 10, 2009, 11:41:09 am
just received a call from dealer.....lifters are floating to USA...will be at lease another 10 days...THERE KILLING ME
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 10, 2009, 11:42:55 am
BUT I'm number 1 on the list
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 10, 2009, 11:48:06 am
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Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: carpe-diem on Sep 10, 2009, 11:54:57 am
Hi, just joined up on this site and seen your posting about " bad lifters" on the Raider. I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada and have a 2008 Raider, but guess what the dam thing is acting up just as you and everyone else on this site  have said. There's a site named Raiderperformance.com and the talk there is the same- lifter problems. My question too you and everyone else is, was there a recall or replacement program in place in the State? I talked to a Yamaha service manager yesterday and he's siad there's no such problem or recall/replacement on the " Canadian version of the Raider" BS. The only difference should be emmision controls!! If there has been a Yamaha notification for you guys down south any chance you could pass the info on to me. I'm going into the dealer today and want as much ammo as I can get, I can see I'm going to have a fight on my hands to get my ride up and running. Just for "shits and giggles" I envy those of you living in the southern States. We get about 4 or 5 months of decent weather, the rest is cold as a withches you know what and covered with snow lol

carpe-diem
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 10, 2009, 12:54:09 pm
Hey smseelig, when did they put you on the list?  I was also told I was top on the list yestarday and I asked what about the next guy and the previose top person?  All I got was runaround that I was the only one, HA HA!

Yamaha really doing a good job!

I'm buying the ht-2011 lifters and telling them put them in so I have my bike back!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 10, 2009, 03:25:39 pm
no way X...they promissed me that I was before you...just made me feel so warm and fuzzy...and I like totally be leave them.
   tried the HT-2011 thing...no way will kill any future warranty......trying get the dealer to swap out with raider on the show room floor....suggested that would eliminate my problem if the lifters were good....if the lifters turn out bad it would save the hassle with the next victim
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Yoda on Sep 10, 2009, 03:55:03 pm
I had to use the lemon laws once a few years ago.  The skinny is simple.  Your vehicle has to have the exact same part break or same problem occur while still under warranty within a reasonable amount of time.  For my car it was a one year period.  If that happens, they have to replace the vehicle.  Yamaha needs to pay attention to this as I've seen a few of you have this same problem twice.  Third times the charm.  I'm no lawyer but I know where to find one.  I do know enough about the law to know what a class action suit is.  Basically, if a group of people, i.e. Raider owners, have the same grievance against the same person or company, then one lawsuit can be levied in the name of all parties.  There can be huge money in these.  Many lawyers take these on for free because they're pay comes from the huge settlement.  I also wonder if the Roadliners and Stratoliners are having the same issue.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 10, 2009, 04:34:16 pm
naw....where's the loss?...never recover fees...we will all be healed by the time of trial...only one bad batch of lifters...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 11, 2009, 01:05:29 pm
Want to salute Paul Langford GM Ride Now powersports Las Vegas. Paul is willing to remove the lifters from a in stock Raider to replace mine..at his own expense. Yamaha has refused to pay to do so. Yamaha motor co. doesn't care that I only had my bike for 5 days, and it's going to take them a month or more to replace the defective lifters.
  Being in business myself its hard for me to let another business eat the cost of some one else mistakes. Don't know what to do. I do think it was a damn good offer from Paul. I SALUTE him.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 11, 2009, 01:58:41 pm
He must be a stand up dealer! I sure hope things stay fixed!

gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 11, 2009, 02:14:09 pm
My raider has been in the shop since Aug. 14th waiting on japan shipped lifters. I talked to the shop yesterday and they did get the parts and are working on my bike. My dealer is such a stand up guy he decided to replace both sets of lifters as well as both camshaft assemblies. I am currently holding my anger for now to see if I will have a good bike after this, but if Kawasaki comes out with a big crusier you just might find one raider for sale
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: v8_vega on Sep 11, 2009, 02:20:18 pm
I guess I was lucky mine "Took the crap" before there was an issue getting lifters. If it wasn't for the warranty, I would just do my own if it ever needs to be done again.

Like I said in a previous post, sometimes I get a tick or three, then goes away. I will not worry about that unless it gets worse. But now if they make some cams and I can afford them at the time, well then I will replace.

Good luck to you guys that are waiting. I sympathize with you. I have had 2 new bikes in a row that I had issues with and had to wait a week to get back. First one, a V-Star 1100, the clutch just took a crap on me second day I had it. Now that sucked.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 11, 2009, 10:11:16 pm
My dealer is such a stand up guy he decided to replace both sets of lifters as well as both camshaft assemblies.

As they should ... As I mentioned prior ... Cams and Lifter wear into each other... When R&Ring them, you want ot keep them matched to the lobes that they were riding...

I spoke to Race Manzare at Stadium Yamaha in Irving this morning... They haven't done any lifter jobs on any 1900's yet... I told him to check in the lifters for the 1900 and 1700 ... (same unit)  He was somewhat shocked that he found them on back order... I thld him that he may want to pro-actively order a few sets soon just in case he gets a few bikes in that need the job done.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 13, 2009, 09:55:25 am
WOW...what a surprise...gotta call from ride now powersports yesterday morning...your bikes ready...it was suppose to take another 10-15 days. don't know where Paul found the lifters but he came through. Road from Vegas to lake havasu city yesterday...total 312.7 mile ride....I LOVE IT. I'm taking half the bad stuff i said about yamaha back....only half for now. Hope you all get your lifters soon...sure is good riding again
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 13, 2009, 03:00:11 pm
Glad your back on the road! 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 13, 2009, 05:26:04 pm
Thanks GeeBop
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 13, 2009, 09:00:00 pm
good news smseelig!  I called the dealer on Saturday and they said that they got the gaskets and the lifters are showing drop shipp to them.  Hopefully this week.  Been wanting to ride so I took the Sportsman 700 X2 out and rode all day in the dirt.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Sep 14, 2009, 12:09:06 am
I am really happy to hear that some of your bikes are getting fixed.  I sucks having issues and when you don't have a date to know when your bike will be fixed it's even worse.  Anyways great news you guys.
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 14, 2009, 05:33:15 am
My raider has been in the shop since Aug. 14th waiting on japan shipped lifters. I talked to the shop yesterday and they did get the parts and are working on my bike. My dealer is such a stand up guy he decided to replace both sets of lifters as well as both camshaft assemblies. I am currently holding my anger for now to see if I will have a good bike after this, but if Kawasaki comes out with a big crusier you just might find one raider for sale

Hey Cornfed,

Did you get your ride back yet?

Gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Lifesbeengood on Sep 14, 2009, 08:11:17 pm
Well, I missed the 9-11 ride from Dulles Airport to the Pentagon because my Raider has been sitting in the shop for the last three weeks.  Since I was a little pissed off about that I called Yamaha Customer Relations this morning to blow off a little steam.  Now I've gone from mildly annoyed to very pissed off. >:(

I was routed to Jocelyn who sounded like she was maybe 14 years old.  I asked her why Yamaha couldn't just put a set of lifters in a box and FEDEX them overnight to my dealer ??? She said the lifter issue was not a "safety" issue and they would not do that.  She went on to say the knocking sound was simply an annoyance and would not hurt the engine if I kept riding it.  What a moron! 

I referenced all the various discussions on this topic in the forums and asked why Yamaha wasn't stepping up to do something about the problem. Her only response was "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" :o

Thats when I realized I have had more intelligent discussions with my dog and hung up :D  So much for "Customer Relations"!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cwa on Sep 14, 2009, 08:50:53 pm
Some folks have for sure taken it in the rump on this one, but you would think Yamaha would get this sh!t taken care of, most dealers are probably sick of it
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Sep 14, 2009, 08:58:53 pm
I had some difficulty at first with a Customer Rep by the name of Joseph.  But, after we both calmed down a little bit, he was really willing to work with me and get the answers to get my bike fixed.  He got me in contact with a Regional Service Rep.  I spoke with the Rep today, and he assured me that he would get the lifters for my bike to get fixed even if they had to be drop shipped from Japan (his words).  I anticipate a call from him tomorrow with an update.  I was told by him that they (Yamaha) were switching suppliers for the lifters and that the problem was a QA issue with the old supplier.  I am just relaying what he told me.  Hopefully everyone's issues will be addressed soon, but don't be shy about calling those Customer Reps...we paid for the bike, we paid for the customer service IMO....


Take at easy and ride safe guys and gals,

Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Sep 14, 2009, 09:53:16 pm
When I had my third gear go bad in my Tranny I called and talked to a real rep that not only got me some real answers but got my dealer my new parts for my tranny within a weeks time.  He made sure that my parts got on a plane and hit my dealer. When my dealer did the same thing it was going to take three to four weeks to get the same parts.  With that said I will call my contact and get some real answers for all of you guys having these lifter issues.  I will pull some strings hopefully and see what I can do.  As soon as I get off of the phone with him I will post his response.  I am really sorry to hear you guys are going through this.  It sucks not having your bike.
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: chuck on Sep 15, 2009, 01:58:31 am
 O8O Guys, today the Yamaha rep that I've been working with said they got in a large shipment of lifters this weekend and they over nighted them to the dealers monday. My dealer was closed but I'll be on the phone in the morning you can bet. Also, don't know if this is the proper place to bring this up, but if anyone is running V&H 1-2 Patrick bak and PCV I could sure use a map. Dynojet doesn't have that set up and I'd like to start out close to what I'm running. I'm trying to decide if I want to go the auto tune route or get a custom tune. I don't plan on doing much more for performance. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Plus if I get a custom tune I'll share that map with anyone runnig the same set up. :cheers:  
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 15, 2009, 08:41:14 am
No, the shop is closed mondays. They told me it should be done today. I'll keep you posted
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 15, 2009, 11:08:08 am
Got off the phone and my lifters are going to be deliverd Thursday to the dealer!  Hope to have her back that day!  Question, they said they would only put in Yamaha lube and not the Synthetic version, so is this due to the lifters needing to be broke in or just?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Sep 15, 2009, 11:17:30 am
I just got off the phone with my Regional Service Rep (Jackie?).  He told me my parts would be at the dealership tomorrow!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Waitup on Sep 15, 2009, 11:24:06 am
Got off the phone and my lifters are going to be deliverd Thursday to the dealer!  Hope to have her back that day!  Question, they said they would only put in Yamaha lube and not the Synthetic version, so is this due to the lifters needing to be broke in or just?

Hello Bill:  It is a small thing called money.  Hope to see you riding again soon....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: chuck on Sep 15, 2009, 11:33:25 am
Just got off the phone, lifters are there and they're being installed today. Sounds like others have received them also. It's been raining here all week hope it clears up soon. Good luck to everyone else on the lifters and good riding
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Sep 15, 2009, 02:25:00 pm
That is great news guys.
I made a call to Yamaha today and they told me getting new lifters shouldn't be an issue now.
They told me that they shipped out a large quanity to the dealers that needed them for repairs.
Greats new for all of you guys.
Good luck
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Snakestang65 on Sep 15, 2009, 03:53:04 pm
The item that held my repair up was the gaskets for the valve covers after the lifters.  I hope they have enough of the gaskets in stock for those waiting on lifters...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 15, 2009, 06:33:39 pm
Hey Guys...I only put 580miles on before the lifters gave out...so I really don't know my bike yet. I've put around 500mile sense new lifters...My hands are going numb when I'm cruising between 70-85 mph. Is this normal. I didn't notice this before.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Sep 15, 2009, 06:43:04 pm
Hey Guys...I only put 580miles on before the lifters gave out...so I really don't know my bike yet. I've put around 500mile sense new lifters...My hands are going numb when I'm cruising between 70-85 mph. Is this normal. I didn't notice this before.

Hmmmm... doesn't happen to me.   Are you sure you're not squeezin' a little too tight at that speed?  Maybe it's in combination with your riding position?  Not sure.  ?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 15, 2009, 07:04:22 pm
I'll think about that next time I ride....I put a switchblade windshield ( chopped) on as soon as I picked the bike up...I thaught maybe its the windshield, but when I clutch at that speed and let the engine idle there is no vibration at all. I guess I'm paranoid after the lifter ordeal....i guess I'm wondering if the cam is flat spotted ....would that cause vibration?...but then again it could be me...I know at 110 I had a death grip
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: T-Bird on Sep 15, 2009, 08:51:07 pm
Tire balance?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 16, 2009, 04:36:01 am
Sound like like your "death grip" is the cause to me..

gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 16, 2009, 09:13:41 am
Get yourself some dyno beads for tire balencing. If you still have a numbing problem, you could try some Iso grips from Kuryakyn. Lastly, the other problem could be the same as mine, a little bit of carpel tunnel syndrome. try some Motrin
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 16, 2009, 09:15:44 am
Got my Raider back from the shop after 5 WEEKS. Lifter problem seems gone. I'll know more this weekend. Just glad to have it back home where I can mod it.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Sep 16, 2009, 09:31:55 am
Got my Raider back from the shop after 5 WEEKS. Lifter problem seems gone. I'll know more this weekend. Just glad to have it back home where I can mod it.

Time to Ride Cornfed
glad to hear you got it back finally.
I am riding Saturday if your interested.
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Sep 16, 2009, 09:35:32 am
Got my Raider back from the shop after 5 WEEKS. Lifter problem seems gone. I'll know more this weekend. Just glad to have it back home where I can mod it.

Time to Ride Cornfed
I am riding Saturday if your interested.
Swomack

I'm riding on Saturday as well but... Houston may be a bit far for a "day trip".   ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Sep 16, 2009, 09:40:07 am
Maybe one day T
Maybe one day.
Swomack
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 16, 2009, 02:28:02 pm
Glad to hear that everybody with bad lifters are getting back on the road. What a hassle!!! I just received a satisfaction survey from yamaha for my new raider. I'm still disappointed at yamaha firstly for lying about the problem..then not fast tracking the new lifter to repair there f*ck up. Maybe I should wait a while longer before filling it out. lol
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 16, 2009, 03:45:39 pm
Same here!  I was not going to answer any of the question until I get my bike back and hopefully that will be Thursday. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: PaRaider on Sep 20, 2009, 07:34:24 am
Yes i got a Red Raider S to and my lifters went out in about 1100 miles. they replaced all my Lifters with a new set of lifters.They told me they had a problem at the machine were the lifters were made. And i got the new upgraded lifters for mine.  I got 2900 miles on my bike now and no problems
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 20, 2009, 10:04:21 am
I have rode 700 miles sense my lifters were replaced. I experience 2-3 seconds of lifter noise at start up when my bike sets over night. I understand this is normal. I went back to the dealer yesterday, I'm still concerned ( probably for no reason) about the engine. I bought a three year extended warranty for $400.00. I didn't want to spend the money...but $133.00 a year for piece of mind is worth it for me.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 20, 2009, 10:19:19 am
I don't about the others but I get no noise after it sitting for a week.. Just some info for you.

gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xtremesvc on Sep 20, 2009, 11:27:52 am
 O8O Picked up the Raider Saturday and drove a little before it started to rain.  Boy, I missed it!  The dealer said they still havent seen any other Raiders with the same issue and that Yamaha got billed over $1000 for the repair bill!

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Sep 20, 2009, 11:31:09 am
O8O Picked up the Raider Saturday and drove a little before it started to rain.  Boy, I missed it!  The dealer said they still havent seen any other Raiders with the same issue and that Yamaha got billed over $1000 for the repair bill!



Good luck Brother,

I hope this issue does not rear it's ugly head again.......

Hpefully Yami did something about it to perm fix this .

 :raider: :raider: :raider:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Sep 20, 2009, 11:34:05 am
Got my Raider back from the shop after 5 WEEKS. Lifter problem seems gone. I'll know more this weekend. Just glad to have it back home where I can mod it.


CFB,

Any updates?????????

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 20, 2009, 01:10:14 pm
Yes, My parts came in on the 10th and I picked it up  tuesday. Did a ride with Swomack on saturday and it seems better than before, or maybe I just missed it for 5 weeks. Either way, I am super pleased with my dealer and very glad Yamaha picked up the tab for the 39 parts and labor. New lifters front and rear, new camshaft assemblies (2) and all gaskets and seals including head and exhaust gaskets.

I am just happy to have this behind me so I can start figuring out how to keep up with you guys and those awsome mods.  Thanks for following my ordeal
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Sep 20, 2009, 01:41:56 pm
CFB,

I am very happy for you and hope everything is now fixed perm. It is nice to have a dealer that will do whatever it takes to remedy situations.

Congrats and keep riding with Swo.

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 21, 2009, 08:36:40 pm
CFB,

I am very happy for you and hope everything is now fixed perm. It is nice to have a dealer that will do whatever it takes to remedy situations.

Congrats and keep riding with Swo.

 ;D

+1 CFB, I Hope all stays well!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Sep 27, 2009, 12:13:33 pm
Damn....I'm clanking again..700 miles after the lifters were replaced. After about 300 miles i was getting some ticking at start up. Only lasted a few seconds, now its clanking for couple of Min's. I love my bike but its turning into a mental bummer
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Sep 27, 2009, 09:57:23 pm
No freeking way bro.. Lemon law that pup and get a new one!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Sep 28, 2009, 11:01:05 am
No freeking way bro.. Lemon law that pup and get a new one!
Either that or tell the dealer to order and install the Sealed Power Lifters if those are what the Roadie boys are using now ...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CoreyM11 on Oct 04, 2009, 11:09:34 pm
Hey guys, Liner owner here and have heard about this lifter thing on a few liners. I guess Im a lucky one with 17500miles and no issues (knocks on wood).

One thing I was wondering has anyone found any good replacement lifters for the ones we currently have oem. Just wanting a FYI for future reference.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Oct 05, 2009, 10:16:18 pm
I talked to a star rep. last weekend..he told me that Chrysler used to make the lifters for yam. then yam decided to to go else where. If you go back in this post you can find the lifter info your looking for. best of luck with our ride
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SWomack on Oct 06, 2009, 12:14:06 am
Yamaha knows that lifters have been bad and they have been replacing them.  That's why it is a good move to buy an extended warranty. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Oct 06, 2009, 11:00:38 am
Yamaha knows that lifters have been bad and they have been replacing them.  That's why it is a good move to buy an extended warranty. 

Actually, yamaha corp told me that by having mine checked just before my warrenty was up it places it in the system that there was a problem within warrenty....if it occurs later it will be covered.  So they say.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: way2fast on Oct 06, 2009, 12:09:34 pm
Is the lifter issue with the newer bikes...2009 models?  I have a 2008, an early production number, and really haven't ridden it enough to know if the lifters will evidentually be a problem. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Oct 06, 2009, 12:15:29 pm
Is the lifter issue with the newer bikes...2009 models?  I have a 2008, an early production number, and really haven't ridden it enough to know if the lifters will evidentually be a problem. 

There's a "lifter poll" thread going on now... but, unfortunately it’s not granular enough to tell if it’s an 08 or 09  (or both) issue.   Although my guts says it’s more of an 09 issue because I don’t remember hearing anything about this early on.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RICE4U on Oct 14, 2009, 06:59:20 pm
Well guys and gals,

Just got my bike back from Tejas.  The Regional Service Rep had the replacement lifters "bench-tested" before they were sent overnight delivery to Tejas for installation on my bike.  Keeping my fingers crossed... either this set of lifters works out or Yamaha is replacing the bike....

Again though, big ups to Brent, Jeff, and the guys at Tejas.  They're definitely the first and only place to go!


Anthony
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geebop on Oct 15, 2009, 08:47:53 am
Cool brother! Great to read this for sure.

gee
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Oct 27, 2009, 10:37:35 am
Mine is in for lifters as I write this ... yet another 09 with this problem.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Oct 27, 2009, 05:23:51 pm
Sorry Jazzy,

At least it is end of season and not middle........

Is Tousley the dealer or Moto, or someone else?

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Oct 27, 2009, 06:28:52 pm
I dropped it off yesterday after work and picked it up today after work - I can't complain.  ;D  It was River Valley Powersport in Red Wing - great folks there. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Oct 27, 2009, 06:31:21 pm
I haven't heard of those folks. I am gonna have to check them out.

Glad things are repaired......

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wolfraider on Oct 27, 2009, 08:06:41 pm
Hey JazzyzGurl,
Best dealership is JJ Powersports in Faribault.
They only deal with Yamaha and are a Star specialist dealer.
Their technicans are top notch and the service is the best I've seen anywhere.
Pretty much everybody in our Star Chapter is going there because of the
frustrations in other places.

Wolfgang
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ro-NTX on Oct 27, 2009, 08:29:44 pm
somebody used a dealer ship  in Irving texas.
don't know who it was.
was wondering how they were?
since they are very close to me.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Dec 13, 2009, 04:47:57 pm
If you're in Texas might as well head over to Tejas...the new mecca of the raider rider.   :D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: booboo on Feb 21, 2010, 09:43:39 am
From Yamaha Tech Exchange:
 :rolleyes: Please use the information in this bulletin to assist you in handling customer concerns about normal engine noise

Yamaha designed the Road Star to be a very special motorcycle, the heart of which is it's enormous v-twin engine. Our goals were to build a big-bore, high torque engine in the tradition of classic motorcycles that have long been part of the American landscape.  We also wanted it to have the exceptionally clean, muscular lines that without a doubt would draw attention to the Road Star.

Several engineering decisions were made to accomplish our goals.  For example, we chose traditional no-fuss air-cooling so as not to have a radiator detract from the bikes clean lines.  We chose proven push-rod valve actuation to give the engine it's particular style, as well as it's particular height and weight distribution characteristics.

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Wow, now thats original. Just say we tried to emulate a Harley Davidson. After all that is who they are referring to. :D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MYWORLD on Feb 21, 2010, 12:11:11 pm
From Yamaha Tech Exchange:
 :rolleyes: Please use the information in this bulletin to assist you in handling customer concerns about normal engine noise

Yamaha designed the Road Star to be a very special motorcycle, the heart of which is it's enormous v-twin engine. Our goals were to build a big-bore, high torque engine in the tradition of classic motorcycles that have long been part of the American landscape.  We also wanted it to have the exceptionally clean, muscular lines that without a doubt would draw attention to the Road Star.

Several engineering decisions were made to accomplish our goals.  For example, we chose traditional no-fuss air-cooling so as not to have a radiator detract from the bikes clean lines.  We chose proven push-rod valve actuation to give the engine it's particular style, as well as it's particular height and weight distribution characteristics.

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Wow, now thats original. Just say we tried to emulate a Harley Davidson. After all that is who they are referring to. :D
Really???
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: T-Bird on Feb 21, 2010, 12:43:02 pm
I think he's just here to  :poke:.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 21, 2010, 12:46:11 pm
From Yamaha Tech Exchange:
 :rolleyes: Please use the information in this bulletin to assist you in handling customer concerns about normal engine noise

Yamaha designed the Road Star to be a very special motorcycle, the heart of which is it's enormous v-twin engine. Our goals were to build a big-bore, high torque engine in the tradition of classic motorcycles that have long been part of the American landscape.  We also wanted it to have the exceptionally clean, muscular lines that without a doubt would draw attention to the Road Star.

Several engineering decisions were made to accomplish our goals.  For example, we chose traditional no-fuss air-cooling so as not to have a radiator detract from the bikes clean lines.  We chose proven push-rod valve actuation to give the engine it's particular style, as well as it's particular height and weight distribution characteristics.

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Wow, now thats original. Just say we tried to emulate a Harley Davidson. After all that is who they are referring to. :D
Ya Think? Back in the 90's Honda make such a close replica of a harley, they were sued over it. It's no doubt, that we owe our Raiders of today to the harleys of years past, but that's just it, the past. I don't think harley will ever catch up to the Japanese, just like our automobile manufactures. The fat American company's rested on their laurels, and thought they were unbeatable with their products. Same same, with harley, it just took them much longer to figure it out than it did the auto builders. :raider: :raider: :raider: :raider: :raider: :raider: Ride on brother BooBoo!! Welcome to the forum, this place is the place to be, if you own a Raider!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Feb 21, 2010, 01:57:06 pm
From Yamaha Tech Exchange:
 :rolleyes: Please use the information in this bulletin to assist you in handling customer concerns about normal engine noise

Yamaha designed the Road Star to be a very special motorcycle, the heart of which is it's enormous v-twin engine. Our goals were to build a big-bore, high torque engine in the tradition of classic motorcycles that have long been part of the American landscape.  We also wanted it to have the exceptionally clean, muscular lines that without a doubt would draw attention to the Road Star.

Several engineering decisions were made to accomplish our goals.  For example, we chose traditional no-fuss air-cooling so as not to have a radiator detract from the bikes clean lines.  We chose proven push-rod valve actuation to give the engine it's particular style, as well as it's particular height and weight distribution characteristics.

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Wow, now thats original. Just say we tried to emulate a Harley Davidson. After all that is who they are referring to. :D

Emulate?

No

Exceed.!   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rebal Dog on Feb 28, 2010, 12:29:26 am
I'm running the Yamaha stuff.  I've been reading a few discussions about running the synthetic oil, and I am planning on switching it out.  This dealership wanted to "run that by Yamaha to make sure it doesn't void the warranty", so as soon as they get their heads out of their a*ses I'll be running "fake" oil in the bike....

Anthony
You don't want to run Synthetic oil till you reach 1,000 miles. The Raider has chrome molley rings and they take time to seat, If you use syn. to soon the motor won't break in properly.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: T-Bird on Feb 28, 2010, 12:30:51 am
Thanks for the tip. (http://www.sjscene.com/scene/images/smiles/headbang.gif)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 28, 2010, 02:21:49 am
I'm running the Yamaha stuff.  I've been reading a few discussions about running the synthetic oil, and I am planning on switching it out.  This dealership wanted to "run that by Yamaha to make sure it doesn't void the warranty", so as soon as they get their heads out of their a*ses I'll be running "fake" oil in the bike....

Anthony
You don't want to run Synthetic oil till you reach 1,000 miles. The Raider has chrome molley rings and they take time to seat, If you use syn. to soon the motor won't break in properly.
At least it will be real fake oil! 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: lurch on Mar 08, 2010, 08:38:00 pm
I have an 09 Raider S and mine started about 300 miles on it.  To me it sounded exactally like what it is, a lifter knocking.  It was lound and noticable.  They have just changed mine, I have not picked it up from the shop yet.  But mine would do it forabout 5 minutes of riding ten stop.  They said it would not hurt anything but it as embarissing.  They were right.  I hope it does not happen again.   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RedStar Raider on Mar 08, 2010, 10:22:33 pm
I have an 09 Raider S and mine started about 300 miles on it.  To me it sounded exactally like what it is, a lifter knocking.  It was lound and noticable.  They have just changed mine, I have not picked it up from the shop yet.  But mine would do it forabout 5 minutes of riding ten stop.  They said it would not hurt anything but it as embarissing.  They were right.  I hope it does not happen again.   
Lurch, make sure to get back here and post on this thread the results. This keeps the info fresh for everyone, Thanx,

RSR
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: lurch on Mar 09, 2010, 06:59:46 am
Seams as if alot of us have had this issue.  I would appreciate it if anyone that has had this issue would send me an email at [email protected] and let me know.  I will send you one in return.  I would like this so if and when my warrenty is up (it goes out in may) if i have this problem again I have a leg to stan on with Yamaha.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RedStar Raider on Mar 09, 2010, 11:10:31 am
Seams as if alot of us have had this issue.  I would appreciate it if anyone that has had this issue would send me an email at [email protected] and let me know.  I will send you one in return.  I would like this so if and when my warrenty is up (it goes out in may) if i have this problem again I have a leg to stan on with Yamaha.  Thank you.
Lurch, contact Bhodge, here on the forum. He runs a dealership in Texas, and he would give you the straight answers to this. In fact, his Raider is at the top of the page right now.


RSR
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MexicanRaiderO on Mar 09, 2010, 02:40:28 pm
has anyone seen lifter problems on any of the 2010 raiders?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RedStar Raider on Mar 09, 2010, 03:01:18 pm
has anyone seen lifter problems on any of the 2010 raiders?
No, they were corrected at the factory, mostly 09 models had the problems, and Yamaha is repairing them at no cost to the owner.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: FIREMAN on Mar 11, 2010, 11:05:11 pm
 i think it was the earley lifters in 09. mine was born in dec. of 2009 and no problem9 we are more than likely running  mo-par lifters    (i like mo-par-alot) 8) 8)




9cross fingers)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Mar 11, 2010, 11:25:41 pm
As stated earlier in the thread, the problem seems to be a bad batch of lifters that came all out at once. Yamaha is aware of the problem and have been very, very good about fixing it. If you are going to have a problem, it will show up early, most likely before 1200 miles. The problem with those bad lifters allowed them to leak down when not running. To my knowledge, there has been no problems on 2010s or even late year 2009s. I believe this problem is going away and we will be done with it soon.

BTW, if you go to search, look for lifter poll. You will see the results and you can add your own
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: lurch on Mar 27, 2010, 06:26:40 pm
I have recently had one lifter replaced in 09 Raider S.  I have put about 300 miles on it since the repair.  I guess we will see how well it does from here. :)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rydfree on Apr 12, 2010, 08:07:50 pm
I just got back into cruisers with a purchase of a 2009 S model this week with only 1600 miles. I'm picking it up from my dealer Friday after they swap wheels with a new black Raider. I'm not overly concerned about the lifter issue I'm reading about but still enough to question getting a extended warranty or not :(  Can anyone confirm the point stated earlier that if it is noted they will cover it even if the bike is out of warranty?  The warranty on this one runs out in July.

I'd hate to spend the $379 (Best price I've found for the 48 month warranty) unless I have too . I've owned several New Yamahas the 1st yer out and never an issue.

New 1998 VStar 650
New 2002 FJR 1300
New 2002 Warrior
New 2004 R1
New 2006 R6 (2 of'em)

Thanks for the input ..

www.fantasiesonwheels.com
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bob hancock on Apr 14, 2010, 06:24:57 pm
had my raider since last august after the first 500 miles and numerous trips to the dealership to complain they replaced 1 lifter now 2000 miles lifter noise back again! back to the dealership next week
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rydfree on Apr 18, 2010, 09:40:00 am
I have just started searching and reading this forum so I may have missed it,but what
problems are associated with the bad lifters ?  Is it just a noise inconvience or does further damage result if not addressed ?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BorderlandBiker on Apr 18, 2010, 10:24:36 pm
Just got a new 2010 Raider a few days ago...Was Yamaha able to solve the lifter problems you've been talking about BEFORE the 2010 models came out??  I remember the recalls with the early Road Warriors...Sure hope this isn't a repeat scenario where Raider owners become 'test' pilots for the lowest bidder subcontractor making engine parts for Yamaha...RIDE SAFE  P.S. Is there a list of Vin # that were the bikes affected by the problem lifters???
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TESTOSTERONE on Apr 19, 2010, 06:18:18 pm
Looks like I'm in the same boat! Had all 4 replaced at 1000 miles now at 2300 litters again. Just had dealership confirm.. This sucks :(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Apr 19, 2010, 06:29:03 pm
Check the lifter poll if you need to worry about this.  Last I looked it seems to only be the 09's
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Apr 19, 2010, 06:48:25 pm
Check the lifter poll if you need to worry about this.  Last I looked it seems to only be the 09's

The lifter poll did not include the 2010's...  but I do agree with CZ. It appeared to be an issue with 09's and not all 09's. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: TESTOSTERONE on Apr 19, 2010, 07:58:12 pm
Just an FYI mine is an 09.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on Apr 27, 2010, 08:04:44 am
So are all the early model 09's failing?  I just bought my brand new Raider yesterday.  I just checked and she was built 08/08.  If she has been sitting on the showroom floor this long and have yet to have a lifter collapse, maybe I'll be ok?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Shad034 on Apr 27, 2010, 11:12:57 am
I bought my 09 in July 2009 and within 300 miles had the knocking. Dealer out here in LV actually warned me about it so when I called to have it brought in for the lifter replacement, I got no pushback at all. I did wait until the 600 mile tune before I brought it in but after the replacement, no issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jacknife on Apr 27, 2010, 08:31:41 pm
I bought my 09 in July 2009 and within 300 miles had the knocking. Dealer out here in LV actually warned me about it so when I called to have it brought in for the lifter replacement, I got no pushback at all. I did wait until the 600 mile tune before I brought it in but after the replacement, no issues.
Highly unusal for the dealership.... They may be allright. LOL
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Shad034 on Apr 30, 2010, 12:04:39 pm
I bought my 09 in July 2009 and within 300 miles had the knocking. Dealer out here in LV actually warned me about it so when I called to have it brought in for the lifter replacement, I got no pushback at all. I did wait until the 600 mile tune before I brought it in but after the replacement, no issues.
Highly unusal for the dealership.... They may be allright. LOL

Tell me about it. I was quite surprised by it. Now to be clear, it was the service writer that warned me about it. Sales guy was all rainbows and unicorns.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rydfree on May 01, 2010, 10:45:44 am
All this lifter talk had me worried after the 09 Raider I picked up a couple weeks ago started making noise last week. I took it to the dealer on Friday afternoon and the service dept acknowledged that it did not sound right, although they could not pinpoint where the sound was comming from. While I was waiting the salesman of course gave me the same old lines you always hear from them. Fuel injected bikes all tick a little,you are sitting on top of a huge air cooled Vtwin so you're gonna hear everything,plus when I was concerned about it possibly having the lifter issue they wanted to know where I had heard that as they knew nothing. I stated the internet and then I get the speach about you can't believe what you hear on the internet bla bla bla. I promptly reminded him that I have had 13 bikes in the last 10 years and 4 of them were from that dealership,not to give me all that bull,that I know how a bike sounds and they are the ones that sound retarded when they start giving those same old lame lines to customers. I said 'Obviously you can't believe anything a salesperson says". They kinda avoided me after that,LOL.

A friend who rode his Honda 954 to the dealer with me ended up going back on the following Monday to buy the Raven Raider they had put chrome wheels on. Needless to say I told him to deal with the sales mgr that I usually deal with directly :)

The noise ended up being the Exup valve cables not adjusted properly and the flap knocking around was resonating througout the exhaust system. Easy fix and the bike had much more power and drivability when I left.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on May 01, 2010, 11:20:16 am
All this lifter talk had me worried after the 09 Raider I picked up a couple weeks ago started making noise last week. I took it to the dealer on Friday afternoon and the service dept acknowledged that it did not sound right, although they could not pinpoint where the sound was comming from. While I was waiting the salesman of course gave me the same old lines you always hear from them. Fuel injected bikes all tick a little,you are sitting on top of a huge air cooled Vtwin so you're gonna hear everything,plus when I was concerned about it possibly having the lifter issue they wanted to know where I had heard that as they knew nothing. I stated the internet and then I get the speach about you can't believe what you hear on the internet bla bla bla. I promptly reminded him that I have had 13 bikes in the last 10 years and 4 of them were from that dealership,not to give me all that bull,that I know how a bike sounds and they are the ones that sound retarded when they start giving those same old lame lines to customers. I said 'Obviously you can't believe anything a salesperson says". They kinda avoided me after that,LOL.

A friend who rode his Honda 954 to the dealer with me ended up going back on the following Monday to buy the Raven Raider they had put chrome wheels on. Needless to say I told him to deal with the sales mgr that I usually deal with directly :)

The noise ended up being the Exup valve cables not adjusted properly and the flap knocking around was resonating througout the exhaust system. Easy fix and the bike had much more power and drivability when I left.

Stupid dealer...

BTW what is the build date on your 09?  mine was built on 08/08.  You can locate the build date on the white sticker on the front of the frame on the neck.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: WilCon on May 01, 2010, 11:34:54 am
Glad I bought an 08 somedays. Paid to be an early adopter for once.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rydfree on May 02, 2010, 06:29:19 pm
Quote
Stupid dealer...

BTW what is the build date on your 09?  mine was built on 08/08.  You can locate the build date on the white sticker on the front of the frame on the neck.

Mine is 09/08 with 2k miles . So far so good.
My friend should have about 1k on his after getting back from Thunder Beach this week. His is 08/08
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on May 03, 2010, 02:41:04 pm
Quote
Stupid dealer...

BTW what is the build date on your 09?  mine was built on 08/08.  You can locate the build date on the white sticker on the front of the frame on the neck.

Mine is 09/08 with 2k miles . So far so good.
My friend should have about 1k on his after getting back from Thunder Beach this week. His is 08/08

Good deal.  I'm seeing that the month's of August & September seem to be ok.  (knock on wood)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on May 04, 2010, 09:20:09 am
fake...I see your from Roswell... you better hope one of those UFO' don't take a liken to your Raider...lol
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on May 04, 2010, 12:52:04 pm
fake...I see your from Roswell... you better hope one of those UFO' don't take a liken to your Raider...lol

I'm a State Cop here in NM & Roswell has it's UFO convention every July.  Talk about some weirdo's.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on May 04, 2010, 01:22:01 pm
fake...I see your from Roswell... you better hope one of those UFO' don't take a liken to your Raider...lol

I'm a State Cop here in NM & Roswell has it's UFO convention every July.  Talk about some weirdo's.

I think it's too late....    ;D

Former
Alien
Kleptomaniac
Extraordinaire   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on May 04, 2010, 04:28:18 pm
fake...I see your from Roswell... you better hope one of those UFO' don't take a liken to your Raider...lol

I'm a State Cop here in NM & Roswell has it's UFO convention every July.  Talk about some weirdo's.

I think it's too late....    ;D

Former
Alien
Kleptomaniac
Extraordinaire   


Nice :cheers:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on May 20, 2010, 05:51:15 pm
 :crying: well ... less than a week back on the road, and my bike is going to have to go in for lifters for a SECOND time :crying:  Had them replaced last fall and it seemed fine for a while - then it knocked a little and I tried to tell myself it was because it was getting colder.  Now it is knocking from start-up nearly every time and continues for a good 5 minutes before it quiets down. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: T-Bird on May 20, 2010, 08:41:30 pm
I hope it gets taken care quickly this time. You've been without for long enough.   (http://www.sjscene.com/scene/images/smiles/1022.gif)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on May 21, 2010, 09:51:57 am
Had my lifters replaced the first few hundred miles...still knocks every time I start it...some times for a few seconds other times for several seconds...it sucks..the engine strains to run..sounds like its going to come apart. I extended the warranty and have accepted the fact that my mistress just doesn't like to be woken up...but once she's awake she's ready to rock
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on May 21, 2010, 11:59:52 am
Since this is the second time I'm having lifter problems, should I be concerned about the camshaft assemblies as well?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on May 21, 2010, 02:42:08 pm
It only makes sense to me that when the lifters lose there prime and causes the hammering there has to be strike marks or dimples some where. As hard as a hammer head is after driving a few soft nails you can see where the nails have caused damage to the harden steel head. The strike zone or dimpling may be microscopic on the cam and maybe never noticed sense are engines run at a low rpm but I have to believe they are there as well as on the push rods, rocker assembly,  etc. Now go and convince your dealer that...and if you can..please let me know how you did it......metric
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 21, 2010, 04:27:40 pm
Since this is the second time I'm having lifter problems, should I be concerned about the camshaft assemblies as well?

Al from yamaha tech support told me that dealers are supposed to replace the cam if they replace the lifters since their is a good chance that there is damage to it. 

I'm wondering...would a preoiler help with the knocking at startup?  Seems odd to me that this knock would quiet down after a few minutes warmup.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on May 24, 2010, 10:33:11 am
The shop has my Raider torn apart again and they say one of the lifters collapsed; they are replacing all four.  The say they inspected the camshafts and they're fine.  They've treated us right so far and I guess it's really going to be their pain in the arse if the camshafts are not fine and it has to go back in again down the road ... thank goodness for the extended warranty!  In a way I'm glad it WAS the lifters, since when I described it to the shop their reaction was as though they thought I was wrong, since they'd already done the lifters once on this bike. I hate being wrong - lol! 

Hopefully I'll be picking it up today after work  O8O
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: T-Bird on May 24, 2010, 07:03:46 pm
Which shop do you use?   (http://www.sjscene.com/scene/images/smiles/1022.gif)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on May 24, 2010, 08:03:49 pm
Which shop do you use?   (http://www.sjscene.com/scene/images/smiles/1022.gif)
River Valley PowerSport in Red Wing; great folks who go out of their way to get us in and out quickly and haven't ever given us the run-around on warranty issues.

Speaking of ... I picked my Raider up after work today ;D  It purrs and growls again, instead of knocking!

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jacknife on May 24, 2010, 08:17:31 pm
Since this is the second time I'm having lifter problems, should I be concerned about the camshaft assemblies as well?

Al from yamaha tech support told me that dealers are supposed to replace the cam if they replace the lifters since their is a good chance that there is damage to it. 

I'm wondering...would a preoiler help with the knocking at startup?  Seems odd to me that this knock would quiet down after a few minutes warmup.
I was allways taught as a general rule of thumb to never replace bearings or race with out replacing both,& the exact same for Cam & Lifters.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rebal Dog on Jun 01, 2010, 10:47:50 pm
Everyone,

So, I had a set of lifters go bad on my 09 Raider S after about 1000 mi.  The dealer replaced the two bad lifters, and lo and behold, a few weeks later I started experiencing the same clicking/bad lifter noise.  The dealer, and I, figured that the other two lifters had gone bad.  This would be in keeping with the idea that Yamaha had a run of bad lifters come through.  Brent at Tejas confirmed that the few Raiders that have come through his shop for bad lifters get all four replaced and then have not come back with further problems.  One of the Service guys at the dealership doing the work on my bike said the same thing.  However, once they tore apart my bike to do the lifter replacement, they discovered that the set of lifters they had replace previously were the ones that had failed.  Has anyone else heard of replaced lifters failing on the Raider?


Thanks in advance,

Anthony
I assum the lifters that they replaced where probably a set from the bad run! Makes sence. But what are the odds. What luck. Sorry you had that problem. RD
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Jun 06, 2010, 05:58:50 pm
In the next couple of days I'll be bringing my Raider in for the THIRD time because of lifter failure.  Both times they replaced them previously they replaced all four ...  I'm thinking they need to check to make sure the oil pressure is correct - and ensure that there isn't some blockage making it so the lifters fail.  It simply doesn't make sense that I'd be the unlucky person to run through 3 sets of lifters (the originals and the 2 replacements thus far) and gotten bad ones each time!  Any other ideas??!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: BLACKCHROMEDSPOKES on Jun 06, 2010, 06:06:28 pm
In the next couple of days I'll be bringing my Raider in for the THIRD time because of lifter failure.  Both times they replaced them previously they replaced all four ...  I'm thinking they need to check to make sure the oil pressure is correct - and ensure that there isn't some blockage making it so the lifters fail.  It simply doesn't make sense that I'd be the unlucky person to run through 3 sets of lifters (the originals and the 2 replacements thus far) and gotten bad ones each time!  Any other ideas??!!

Yes Jazzy,

1. File for a "LEMON LAW" replacement.
2. Contact YAMAHA CORPORATE and give them a ear full.
3. Go back to your dealer and have him chit can his existing stock and replace them with new.
4. Have the dealer replace cam shafts and push rods.
5. Make sure it is complete by the time Ray gets here....

your brother in the wind...

 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Jun 06, 2010, 06:27:38 pm
Sorry JGurl...thats gotta suck
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: T-Bird on Jun 06, 2010, 09:15:29 pm
I'm sorry to hear of this. Sounds like you're the first. I hope you get this resolved in a timely manner.    (http://www.sjscene.com/scene/images/smiles/1022.gif)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: stocking_eater on Jun 07, 2010, 06:52:44 am
my 09 is only 3 months old and have 560 miles on here. last a weekend saterday she started ticking when started cold. that sunday that lifter took about 3 min. to pump up.  and this week end saterday she ticked and knocked for 5 min. with me hitting the throttle before she pumped up. took her down the road and only had half the power than normal. yesterday, sunday, that lifter would not stop!!! so never left the yard. dealer closed on mondays >:(.  Hope they can get her fixed up soon. going on a trip the 18th. mine was built 2-2-09.   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Jun 15, 2010, 08:35:29 pm
Any updates on this Stocking Eater?

When I brought mine in last time I mentioned to the service manager that MN Lemon Law is 4 times for the same problem and that I was thinking a new engine would about make things alright if this doesn't take care of it ...

Long story short he ordered 2 sets of lifters last fall when mine went out - thinking then he'd have them on hand in case another Raider they'd sold had the same problem.  Yamaha never told him to send the other set back ... so when I brought mine in the 2nd time, that set of lifters went in from last fall - and both were from bad stock.  This time Yamaha sent him a fresh-off-the-line set of lifters + threw in my 4K mile oil & filter change and said they guarantee there won't be a problem with the lifters a 4th time.  I think he shared with them how serious I was that this was the LAST time I was going to bring it in to have this same problem fixed.

BTW mine has a mfg date of 10/08, for those who are trying to figure out a pattern for this problem.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: stocking_eater on Jun 16, 2010, 05:05:54 am
Any updates on this Stocking Eater?

When I brought mine in last time I mentioned to the service manager that MN Lemon Law is 4 times for the same problem and that I was thinking a new engine would about make things alright if this doesn't take care of it ...

Long story short he ordered 2 sets of lifters last fall when mine went out - thinking then he'd have them on hand in case another Raider they'd sold had the same problem.  Yamaha never told him to send the other set back ... so when I brought mine in the 2nd time, that set of lifters went in from last fall - and both were from bad stock.  This time Yamaha sent him a fresh-off-the-line set of lifters + threw in my 4K mile oil & filter change and said they guarantee there won't be a problem with the lifters a 4th time.  I think he shared with them how serious I was that this was the LAST time I was going to bring it in to have this same problem fixed.



talked to two dealers, they both said for me to go on my trip because nether one would have it repaired befor i go on the 18 of june. bring her in when i get back. as long she pumps up the lifter--ride her this week end. il update when we get back and she go's in the shop

BTW mine has a mfg date of 10/08, for those who are trying to figure out a pattern for this problem.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: stocking_eater on Jun 23, 2010, 06:30:08 am
made our trip to eureka springs this past weekend and it was great. but them lifters gave me fits. 10-15 mint. or 10 miles whitch ever came first befor  they would pump up. very embarrassing when i when i went to start her up around other bikes. on the way home it got worse. 145 miles of clanking and hitting on one cylinder, and to top it off my front wheel slinging grease out of its bearings. the lifter finally pumped up but she still had about the half the power. made it home after the 7 hours of riding and 245 miles. was so afraid that the wheel would lock up and me and wife would eat pavement. took her to the dealer for a tear down yesterday. il post the findings when i know. by the way, the tech says the raider do not have a  oil pressure switch! you can lose all oil pressure or all the oil and it will still run. burn up but still run. hell my 4 wheeler has a oil pressure switch! for safety..       
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: stocking_eater on Jun 26, 2010, 06:25:47 am
up date.... my dealer called me friday afternoon and said they have her torn down and they are going to replace lifters, cam, and push rods. and one rocker arm, the one the bad lifter beat the hell out of. have to order all parts. be a week at least. I want her home :'(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Jun 26, 2010, 08:31:17 am
Hopefully the bike won't be out of commission very long - and that this will take care of the problem.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Metric on Jun 26, 2010, 08:11:46 pm
I feel for you...mine was down almost 3 weeks for lifters
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: stocking_eater on Jul 03, 2010, 05:35:18 am
Got my baby home from the shop Friday!!! my dealer in hot springs arkansas says its "official" there is a RECALL on the lifters. he replaced all 4 and one was bad. she runs so much stronger now. I dident think to ask them if it was just the 09 mod. or what. when i first took her in he dident know of any prob. with the raider lifters till he called Yamaha and they told him to order extra lifters for the units they have sold and for the 09 they still have on the sales floor.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Fasthotrod on Jul 31, 2010, 04:49:19 pm
Here's a video I shot with my iPhone. The lifters don't pump up for about 30 seconds or so, then she purrs like a kitten. 

It sounds nasty at first... but thankfully she was fixed under warranty and is good to go now.   :thumbs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4846267328/

Hope this helps.

Mark
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jul 31, 2010, 05:49:24 pm
Here's a video I shot with my iPhone. The lifters don't pump up for about 30 seconds or so, then she purrs like a kitten. 

It sounds nasty at first... but thankfully she was fixed under warranty and is good to go now.   :thumbs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4846267328/

Hope this helps.

Mark

That's the best video/audio I've seen so far of the lifter problem.  Nice work.  Dang that's loud.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Aug 05, 2010, 05:36:46 pm
My lifters are being replaced on monday!!!!  Thanks for the video!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Aug 26, 2010, 10:37:58 pm
my 2010 raider s with less than 400miles on it is doing the same damn thing warm or cold!!!  :-[ i hate to give it to the shop but looks like im gonna have to! baw humbug!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Aug 27, 2010, 07:09:04 am
my 2010 raider s with less than 400miles on it is doing the same damn thing warm or cold!!!  :-[ i hate to give it to the shop but looks like im gonna have to! baw humbug!

Wow.... this is the first 2010 model that I've heard of.  It's only been a problem with "some" of the 09's. 

Let us know what you find out.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Aug 27, 2010, 08:20:31 am
bummer...I thought it was isolated to the 09's
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: pdaven on Aug 27, 2010, 02:11:18 pm
Here's a video I shot with my iPhone. The lifters don't pump up for about 30 seconds or so, then she purrs like a kitten. 

It sounds nasty at first... but thankfully she was fixed under warranty and is good to go now.   :thumbs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4846267328/

Hope this helps.

Mark

Good video/audio of this problem.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Aug 30, 2010, 01:49:35 am
took my 2010 to the shop and they called yamaha and was told to order 2 lifters sight unseen! waiting on the parts then gonna make an appointment! hopefully this will get cleared up asap!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Floridaliner on Aug 30, 2010, 10:00:27 am
 Someone should contact Patrick Racing and see what brand and part number lifters will fit in our motor.
 They supply a set of lifters with thier Warrior cam kit, if what Violator said that the lifters are the same, than this would be an option to the Yamaha Lifter crisis.

http://www.patrickracingbillet.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Racing_Parts&Product_Code=3044&Category_Code=Yamaha_Cam_Kits

 

 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Floridaliner on Aug 30, 2010, 10:39:52 am
 I havent read through all the lifter thread here so excuse me if this is reduntant.  ;)

 I found this stuff across a couple forums.  :

Cross referenced         Sealed Power HT-2011
Nigle Patrick dont know if the different metal would effect the cam or not

Study page 5-34 of the service manual, the more familar you become with your bike the less scary these jobs will seem.
If a human being put it together a human being can take it apart.
On the old Harleys you had to cut the push rods out with a bolt cutter then install adjustable push rods to keep from pulling the heads, this motor comes apart for lifter replacement by just pulling the cyl head covers. Not the heads.
Dont try it without the manual or someone who has some experence.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Aug 30, 2010, 10:40:33 am
took my 2010 to the shop and they called yamaha and was told to order 2 lifters sight unseen! waiting on the parts then gonna make an appointment! hopefully this will get cleared up asap!

Just lifters? Yamaha corp has stated that if you have the lifter problem they are supposed to replace your cam as well as all lifters.  Check my how-to for if you have the lifter problem.  The names of the people you should talk to are in there.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Rebal Dog on Aug 30, 2010, 11:03:17 am
took my 2010 to the shop and they called yamaha and was told to order 2 lifters sight unseen! waiting on the parts then gonna make an appointment! hopefully this will get cleared up asap!

Just lifters? Yamaha corp has stated that if you have the lifter problem they are supposed to replace your cam as well as all lifters.  Check my how-to for if you have the lifter problem.  The names of the people you should talk to are in there.
Ya makes sence, If the Lifter goes Bad you should Replace the Cams as well. And Push Rods! My 08 Purs like a kitten no Noise at all right from start up Cold.

  RD
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Aug 30, 2010, 11:25:39 am
took my 2010 to the shop and they called yamaha and was told to order 2 lifters sight unseen! waiting on the parts then gonna make an appointment! hopefully this will get cleared up asap!

Just lifters? Yamaha corp has stated that if you have the lifter problem they are supposed to replace your cam as well as all lifters.  Check my how-to for if you have the lifter problem.  The names of the people you should talk to are in there.

u have a link to your "how to?" so i can call and make sure they fix it right?> nmv! i found the post! thanks will call asap!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 01, 2010, 04:29:41 pm
 >:( Not so happy right now. I am going to have to take my bike back to the shop sounds like my lifters are bad yet again!!!! I looked into the how too and I have been told that Al Harper no longer works for the company.  The lady I talked to didn't seem so reseptive on the idea of cam,and lifter replacement... Oh well I will wait a few days and see what the shop says...   >:( >:(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Sep 01, 2010, 04:32:35 pm
I would talk to her manager. Unless she is flippin the bill it's none of her buisness what yamaha does.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 01, 2010, 04:44:53 pm
>:( Not so happy right now. I am going to have to take my bike back to the shop sounds like my lifters are bad yet again!!!! I looked into the how too and I have been told that Al Harper no longer works for the company.  The lady I talked to didn't seem so reseptive on the idea of cam,and lifter replacement... Oh well I will wait a few days and see what the shop says...   >:( >:(

Give me a few minutes to make some calls and I'll try to get you a new contact that'll help or some verification on the whole cam thing.  That totally stinks that Al left.  He was a good man.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 01, 2010, 04:48:35 pm
ok, just called my contact at Yamaha (he's one of the top dogs in the US).  Unfortunately, got his secretary since he's at the dealer meetings right now.  I explained to her what's going on and that we are a forum of 1500 raider owners and I'm just trying to help some other guys ease through this repair process.  I asked her to see if she could get me a new contact for everyone here.  She's good and my guy will be getting back to me soon with one.  I hope today but it could be as late as Monday when he gets back.  Sorry i can't do any better for you guys.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 01, 2010, 04:54:58 pm
>:( Not so happy right now. I am going to have to take my bike back to the shop sounds like my lifters are bad yet again!!!! I looked into the how too and I have been told that Al Harper no longer works for the company.  The lady I talked to didn't seem so receptive on the idea of cam,and lifter replacement... Oh well I will wait a few days and see what the shop says...   >:( >:(

Give me a few minutes to make some calls and I'll try to get you a new contact that'll help or some verification on the whole cam thing.  That totally stinks that Al left.  He was a good man.
Thanks, my dealer is a really good guy he should work with me. It just sucks that they replaced them and they are now worse then what they were.  I know that my dealer will do what he can. Its just that he really is not that knowledgeable.  Thanks Capt!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Sep 02, 2010, 08:14:54 am
Check to see if the dealer is ordering in NEW lifters.  He should not be using ones he has in stock, that were ordered earlier, since those are likely bad stock. 

My dealer was trying to be prepared, so ordered two sets of lifters when I brought mine in for lifter replacement the first time (In case other Raiders they sold had the same problem).  That spare set sat on his shelf and when I brought mine in a second time those 'spare' lifters went in my bike and THOSE failed too.  Both sets he ordered were from bad stock - which Yamaha knew, but didn't take the time to notify him of  >:(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 02, 2010, 10:11:01 am
Thanks Jazzy will do that. I will talk to my dealer when they get back from the Carolina's  thats where they went yesturday.  He will be back in a couple of days.  Again Thanks....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Sep 02, 2010, 02:43:18 pm
i just spoke with a lady at Yamaha corp. and she told me AL wasn't available and that there is no recall on the lifters and that they don't replace the cams unless there's a prob with the cam too! i just don't want my bike going into the shop for lifters to find the cam needs to replaced also then have my bike in shop torn down waiting on parts! i want it in and out of the shop asap! is there anyone i can talk to, to have them order a cam to have on hand if it needs it!!??!?! unfortunately i didn't get her name but she was giving me a lot of slack about calling and telling me i don't know what I'm talking about!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 02, 2010, 04:50:18 pm
I was told yesterday that Al Harper is indeed gone.  He moved on to another job.  I'm waiting to here back from my contact with a new number of someone very good we can contact if we have problems.  My contact is one of the top 4-5 people at Yamaha USA, so hopefully he'll get us someone good.  I'll post as soon as i get the new contact. 

The reason for replacing the cam is that when a lifter goes it can cause undue wear on the cam...some of which may not be visible.  At least that's what a friend told me who builds racing motors.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 02, 2010, 06:39:10 pm
Thanks for your hard work Capt
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 02, 2010, 07:02:15 pm
Thanks for your hard work Capt

No problem.  I went through a lot of frustration when i had mine checked.  Got jerked around by a dealer until I found Al Harper.  We pulled the bike from one dealer and took it to another to get it done right and right away. 

BTW Al told me that if you have a problem with this, make sure its noted in yamaha corps system.  That way if it ever happens again, even if you're out of warrenty, yamaha has to cover it.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:54:52 pm
Ok I'll call them again... It's going straight to the shop when I get back... Tuesday... It way worse now that they fixed it. The noise is slight at idle now... Yes frustrating to say the least....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Sep 04, 2010, 07:20:37 am
Well my sales paperwork from the dealership arrived today but I don't know if I want to sign this or not after reading 19 pages of info. I have the VIN on my bike and the build date is 02/09 which seems to put it right square in the middle of the problem dates (generally). THink I'm gonna hold off and call Yamaha and ask them about my build date and VIN. As mentioned before, I plan to grab my bike, do a little local breakin running in the local area of the dealership and then ride it from Alabama to Idaho. If this goes out on me I'll have to leave it behind as I just don't have time for a lifter failure. Better to pull the plug right now than to take my chances if Yamaha refuses to give me any info on this.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 04, 2010, 09:37:15 am
Well my sales paperwork from the dealership arrived today but I don't know if I want to sign this or not after reading 19 pages of info. I have the VIN on my bike and the build date is 02/09 which seems to put it right square in the middle of the problem dates (generally). THink I'm gonna hold off and call Yamaha and ask them about my build date and VIN. As mentioned before, I plan to grab my bike, do a little local breakin running in the local area of the dealership and then ride it from Alabama to Idaho. If this goes out on me I'll have to leave it behind as I just don't have time for a lifter failure. Better to pull the plug right now than to take my chances if Yamaha refuses to give me any info on this. Of course the salesman denies knowing anything about it. They do however have my deposit and the rest of the payment is enroute.
Call Brent over at Tejas manager.  He'll give you an honest run down...he's the manager there.  Personally, I'd try for a 2010 but now we have one 2010 with a problem.  Yamaha will fix it but your level of frustration will depend on your dealership.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Sep 04, 2010, 10:24:39 am
Certainly thought about that but I wanted the Red S model. So I need to either rethink my color options vs reliability. Think I'll see if ther dealer can run the VIN by Corp and see what they say.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 04, 2010, 12:05:36 pm
Certainly thought about that but I wanted the Red S model. So I need to either rethink my color options vs reliability. Think I'll see if ther dealer can run the VIN by Corp and see what they say.

We've tried to get a vin list but haven't had any luck.  Brent is probably our source for the best info.  Corp probably has a list but doesn't want to release it until all the affected bikes are sold, or else they'd never sell them.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Sep 04, 2010, 01:34:26 pm
yeah! lucky me! was gonna wait for a 2011 but got anxious and got the 2010! guess its an old 2010! lol!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Sep 04, 2010, 01:53:22 pm
There ya go man! Well I just sent an email off to the dealer so well see what happens. I might be in the market for a 2010 myself. That blue looks good too.

And I see your point about not broadcasting the VIN list. So would that like devaluate any 09 that shows up on a "bad" list? I guess it could but once the problem is taken care of then all should be good. After reading many different sites, this issue has shown up on not only the Warrior but the Strat as well. Corp needs to keep an eye on this.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 07, 2010, 10:36:06 am
HA HA HA alls I can do is laugh right now I am so mad.  Called the dealer and the parts guy is the only one at the store he is pissed cause Yamaha screwed him on the warranty not sure how thats possible but whatever.  So he told me that they would have to get a rep out here to look at my bike Not sure how long thats going to take but might be looking at taking my bike to Miami....

Capt any luck on any more info?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 07, 2010, 10:42:16 am
HA HA HA alls I can do is laugh right now I am so mad.  Called the dealer and the parts guy is the only one at the store he is pissed cause Yamaha screwed him on the warranty not sure how thats possible but whatever.  So he told me that they would have to get a rep out here to look at my bike Not sure how long thats going to take but might be looking at taking my bike to Miami....

Capt any luck on any more info?

Not yet...sorry, forgot monday was labor day.  He's on the west coast so I'll try giving him another call later today.  Hopefully I can have something for you guys today/tonight.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 07, 2010, 11:17:32 am
hi guys, noobie here...just bought a brand new 2010 raider and found this thread because i have a loud ticking pre-warmup sound. it started after about the first 200 miles and from what I've read in this forum it might be the lifters as said.

can anyone please assist me in finding the right phone number for yamaha motor corp tech support so i can call and speak with them?

thanks!

ps no hijack  :D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 07, 2010, 12:25:44 pm
HA HA HA alls I can do is laugh right now I am so mad.  Called the dealer and the parts guy is the only one at the store he is pissed cause Yamaha screwed him on the warranty not sure how thats possible but whatever.  So he told me that they would have to get a rep out here to look at my bike Not sure how long thats going to take but might be looking at taking my bike to Miami....

Capt any luck on any more info?

Not yet...sorry, forgot monday was labor day.  He's on the west coast so I'll try giving him another call later today.  Hopefully I can have something for you guys today/tonight.

Thanks
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 07, 2010, 03:31:06 pm
got it..
thanks Capt

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=7166.0
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Sep 08, 2010, 10:48:06 am


We've tried to get a vin list but haven't had any luck.  Brent is probably our source for the best info.  Corp probably has a list but doesn't want to release it until all the affected bikes are sold, or else they'd never sell them.
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Brent explained it all very well. We see pages of info here and other sites but in the overall scheme of things, failures are rather limited. It's a drag that they got a batch of bad lifters but it's kinda blown out of proportion. No offense to anyone here of course and it's great to read about this stuff. We just know that it's a possible failure. So here we go, gonna finish the transaction and see what happens! One thing for sure, I've read so much to find out info on this issue that I'm not seeing other failures and this is one stout engine. They all have their quirks but I'm content with this powerplant. Next phase...new lifter blocks and roller lifters from an LS2. LOL I seriously doubt there'd be much hp/tq (maybe a little) gain from doing so and probably no room. Just another hairbrained idea.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 08, 2010, 04:40:28 pm
Ok.  I just got off the phone with my contact at Yamaha.  I gave him links to the forum and this thread and how to see the other lifter stuff.  He's going to send that off to their tech guy who'll start patrolling this site and these threads (particularly this one).  They call this system "Radar" and will be using our information to try and send out info to dealers.  they may also occasionally relay messages through me.  They can't do it themselves because of the legal issues involved. 

He also said that they need to replace all 4 lifter at the same time.  or else the problem will likely happen again.

Anyway once this radar thing gets going (should be very soon) the customer service reps should all have the same response so we won't need a specific number or point person.  Also there is a good chance that this stuff will be sent out to dealers service managers and stuff. 

So everyone should contact yamaha customer support if you have the lifter issue.

So what I would suggest is for everyone to do the following when posting about their currently ongoing lifter issues.

1.  Post you year
2.  Post your mileage
3.  Post the dealership that's hasseling you and include what city and state they are in.
4.  Post how many days they have had your bike or how long your bike has been out of commission.

As far as dealing with your dealership if they are hassling you.  Call customer support and if it isn't rectified quickly work your way up to the regional manager.  Sorry I can't do better.

Hopefully this will streamline things for everyone.


My contact also relayed some interesting info.  They have run into this on their own bikes at corp and solved by freeing the lifter by playing with the throttle.  He said this won't always work.  He also said that they have simply polished and deburred lifters on some bikes and they never had a problem again.  I guess use this info at your own discretion.  doing this might make it tougher for your dealer to diagnose.

If you're on a ride and need to get home try freeing the lifter by revving the throttle. 
He also said that these lifters do not damage the cams so they aren't replacing those unless something more serious occurred.

Sorry I can't do better guys...their hand are tied because of the legal dept.




Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on Sep 08, 2010, 04:50:28 pm
I've got over 1300 miles on my new 2009; so I hope I'm in the clear on this lifter crap.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Sep 08, 2010, 07:32:57 pm
michael dellimagine
2010 yamaha raider s
650miles
cal-coast motorsports
ventura california

just called them and was told they only ordered 2 lifters and now have them waiting for me. i informed them on this last response from you about all 4 lifters needing to be replaced. they will call yamaha tomorrow and try to get the other 2 lifters. bike has not been in the shop for a teardown yet! i want it to go as smooth and quick as possible! gonna have the 600 mile service done at the same time as the lifters!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 08, 2010, 09:21:04 pm
michael dellimagine
2010 yamaha raider s
650miles
cal-coast motorsports
ventura california

just called them and was told they only ordered 2 lifters and now have them waiting for me. i informed them on this last response from you about all 4 lifters needing to be replaced. they will call yamaha tomorrow and try to get the other 2 lifters. bike has not been in the shop for a teardown yet! i want it to go as smooth and quick as possible! gonna have the 600 mile service done at the same time as the lifters!

Hey, could you ask them for the lifters?  That way you can post some pics of them.  I'd keep them anyway, polish (deburr) them up and store them just in case I ever needed one in a pinch.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Sep 08, 2010, 11:03:48 pm
ill take a pic but to take them home i dont think so! its a warranty issue and they usually HAVE to return it to yamaha so they can get paid for the warranty repair! at least thats how its done in the car world! i used to be a BMW mechanic!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: FIREMAN on Sep 08, 2010, 11:14:39 pm
just lifters and no cams? some are replacing cams also. 8)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 08, 2010, 11:59:02 pm
just lifters and no cams? some are replacing cams also. 8)

Yeah.  Earlier yamaha thought they had to.  Now they think they don't after having it happen to a couple of corporates bikes.  On some of their bikes they simply took the lifters out, polished/deburred them and not they work fine.  On another bike they just revved it until the lifter became unstuck and that solved the problem for that bike.  On these they didn't need to change the cam so i guess that's the new policy.  Either way if it happens down the road again you should be covered even if its out of warrenty.  Sucks that they changed it but what can we do.  Try talking your dealer into the cam but who knows if they will do it.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 09, 2010, 06:50:34 am
OK my Bike was purchased from Florida Key Cycle on 6/11/10
Make: Yamaha, Model: Raider, YR: 2009, Color: BLK, VIN: JYAVP27E29A008084

I first noticed a funny noise on the bike around 750 miles it happened at start up.  I was curious about it so I asked a friend and the Owner of the cycle shop. At first they both thought I was just talking about the bigger engine noise of the bike.  I then tried to explain to them it was something different and it didn't last long but a good ping sound at start up and about 5-10 second later it would go away.

One morning I decide to take my iphone and record start up in hopes I would here the noise.  It was 0646 in the morning when I started the engine. And the noise was there.  I then proceeded to the motorcycle shop and let the owner listen to the noise.  He then called his rep and parts were in within three days and the bike was fixed.
I then had just short of 2000 miles on the bike.

I had a trip planned to go up to Saint Augustine FL. for Labor Day weekend. I went to pick up bags from a friend and when I started the bike up after getting the bags the noise was back.  This was maybe 50 more miles on the bike after replacement.  The next day I left for Saint Augustine.  We rode from Key West to Homestead I noticed when I pulled into the gas station that there was constant low pinging now and not just at start up.  I refueled and waited for a bit cause it was raining.  When I started the bike to leave the same loud ping was back but much worse then before the replacement of the lifters. Many I have rode with now have her this horrible sound come from my engine its not Normal.  The dealership owner is out of town and the Parts guy is telling me I have to wait till he can get a rep into town to even look at my bike cause the replaced the lifters already. and there is nothing more he can do at this time.  I need to know if the bike can even been ridin but havenot gotten a answer.  Calling again today!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Floridaliner on Sep 09, 2010, 07:08:05 am
 The other post on "how too" with lifters says that the lifters have burr issues and should have been deburred.

 I know one thing, Yamaha is quickly gaining "viral internet sensation" from the way they are teating people with lifter issues and not taking care of business. They need to pull all the shelves of lifters and start deburring them for replacements, or start finding a new contractor for lifters.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 09, 2010, 07:15:39 am
The other post on "how too" with lifters says that the lifters have burr issues and should have been deburred.

 I know one thing, Yamaha is quickly gaining "viral internet sensation" from the way they are teating people with lifter issues and not taking care of business. They need to pull all the shelves of lifters and start deburring them for replacements, or start finding a new contractor for lifters.

I did read that thanks
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 14, 2010, 07:27:08 am
hey dchertz, i just purchased a 2010 Raider S last month and it's been in the shop for 3 days now for the lifter sound too. it started around 200 miles and i wasn't sure if it was normal so i scoured the internet and found this forum (which is pretty cool btw). the service manager told me yesterday he wants to check the valve adjustment. will let you know what he says. anyway, i'm in plantation fl and we are riding down to the poker run kw this weekend. like yourself i am also wondering if the bike is ok to ride. the tech told me yesterday he was going to check the compression and that will let him know. if it's ok they're going to let me take the bike for the weekend and bring it back next week. let me say for having a brand new bike over $10G already in the shop for engine work i am not impressed  :-\
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 14, 2010, 10:15:03 am
Yes I agree, The shop is having a rep come down and fix mine. Its now going to be going into the shop for the second time.  The BIKE is great!!! I am sorry you are having issues with your new bike.  I am just hoping the fix it soon.  The Strat or Liners have not had the issues the Raider has had that I know of? I just finished talking to the owner of the shop and I know my issue will be fixed soon. One way or another!!!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 14, 2010, 10:28:35 am
Yes I agree, The shop is having a rep come down and fix mine. Its now going to be going into the shop for the second time.  The BIKE is great!!! I am sorry you are having issues with your new bike.  I am just hoping the fix it soon.  The Strat or Liners have not had the issues the Raider has had that I know of? I just finished talking to the owner of the shop and I know my issue will be fixed soon. One way or another!!!!!

The strat and roadies do have the same issue according to my friend from yamaha corp.  Its a bad batch of parts from the parts provider.  Its just unfortunate that depending on when dealers ordered their replacement lifters they might have gotten replacements from that same bad batch.  That's why some have had it multiple times.

I hope yamaha can resolve this issue before the bikes get a bad reputation.  The 09's are already starting to get one.  I just don't want the bike to be lopped in with unreliable bikes like HD's.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on Sep 14, 2010, 10:39:53 am
You would think yamaha would "can" that particular distributor for the lifters.  I would have gladly paid $200.00 more in the price of the bike to have some decent lifters.

Yamaha is dropping the ball on this lifter thing if the 2010's are now having problems.  Other than the crap lifters, the engine is bullet proof.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CBird on Sep 14, 2010, 10:43:38 am

My lifters make a noise about 30% of the time on start up, I haven't got them replaced because its hit and miss at this moment. Any ideas??? Am I hurting the motor by riding like this, and will it get to a point where it happens every start up or is this normal???

thanks!  :raider:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 14, 2010, 11:54:33 am
ok so i just got off the phone with the GM and Service Manager at the dealer. The SM told me that he has to take the bike apart and submit the lifters to yamaha in order to validate warranty replacement. This means that the bike has to be in their possesion from take apart to new part arrival and installation.

At this point I am considering taking it to another dealer because I submitted this issue to them along with the 600 mile maintenance; when I asked the SM what viscosity the new transfer case oil is he said it didn't need to be changed - it's fine. I said no, according to the owner's manual service guide it HAS to be changed at 600 miles. He said ok he would do it, but I am amazed that he did not know this considering it's probably required for every Star that comes in there at 600 miles! I spoke with the GM afterwards and let her know. They could have told me all this last Saturday, instead I'm picking up the bike on day 4 with no new parts ordered.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 14, 2010, 01:44:35 pm
ok so i just got off the phone with the GM and Service Manager at the dealer. The SM told me that he has to take the bike apart and submit the lifters to yamaha in order to validate warranty replacement. This means that the bike has to be in their possesion from take apart to new part arrival and installation.

At this point I am considering taking it to another dealer because I submitted this issue to them along with the 600 mile maintenance; when I asked the SM what viscosity the new transfer case oil is he said it didn't need to be changed - it's fine. I said no, according to the owner's manual service guide it HAS to be changed at 600 miles. He said ok he would do it, but I am amazed that he did not know this considering it's probably required for every Star that comes in there at 600 miles! I spoke with the GM afterwards and let her know. They could have told me all this last Saturday, instead I'm picking up the bike on day 4 with no new parts ordered.

Take it to another dealer.  Most dealers who know about this are willing to order the parts first.

As to if running with bad lifters can damage a motor, I would say yes.  If metal sheers off and gets loose it could get into the oil or damage your cam.  If your in TX and have it 30% of the time (I'm willing to bet more on colder days or mornings rather than warmer one's, imagine what it would sound like in a northern climate).  This lifter issue seems more frequent up here when its cold...sub 50deg.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 21, 2010, 04:06:26 pm
brought the bike to a better dealer last wednesday and just heard back from them today. they said there is some kind of front cylinder damage and it is not getting enough compression. then told me the next step is to tear it down some more and figure out which parts to order. good news is they said it will be covered under the warranty. i miss my bike though! i wish i knew more questions to ask him but i'm new at engines and just learning.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 21, 2010, 04:46:09 pm
Ask him if you can come in and see it torn down.  Look at your cylinder walls for damage.  Same with the piston.  Pistons are easy enough to replace but if its your cylinder wall, I'd hit them up for the PR big bore kit if the raider doesn't have cylinder sleeves....heck I might do the big bore anyway since the labor would be cut in half...they already did the hard part of removing the motor.  Just think..your lifter problem could get your a 121ci motor.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Sep 21, 2010, 04:58:46 pm
Capt, any idea on how they reline the cylinder? Stock uses the ceramic aspect but not sure what Patrick uses. The bigger kit would be awesome, I'm just wondering if their vendor has it all together to do relining for long term reliability. Would they use like a hard chrome? I can't remember the term I used before in one of my posts. Nikasil plating..that's what I was thinking of. Not sure if there is a problem anymore with this type of plating. Thanks
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Sep 21, 2010, 09:10:11 pm
Capt, any idea on how they reline the cylinder? Stock uses the ceramic aspect but not sure what Patrick uses. The bigger kit would be awesome, I'm just wondering if their vendor has it all together to do relining for long term reliability. Would they use like a hard chrome? I can't remember the term I used before in one of my posts. Nikasil plating..that's what I was thinking of. Not sure if there is a problem anymore with this type of plating. Thanks

No idea.  But I can't imagine its much cheaper than boring it out or adding the PR big bore kit.  Anytime you mess with a cylinder wall its going to get expensive.  If I were you I'd check it out and also give brent a call at Tejas.  I believe he did the big bore kit that was put in Geebop's bike.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 22, 2010, 03:37:25 pm
Ask him if you can come in and see it torn down.  Look at your cylinder walls for damage.  Same with the piston.  Pistons are easy enough to replace but if its your cylinder wall, I'd hit them up for the PR big bore kit if the raider doesn't have cylinder sleeves....heck I might do the big bore anyway since the labor would be cut in half...they already did the hard part of removing the motor.  Just think..your lifter problem could get your a 121ci motor.

thanks for the reply Capt. Sounds like a good idea but it's a little over my head. If I knew more about motors I'd probably go for it. I'm just hoping they fix it right so i don't have to take it back. I can understand motors can have defective parts but with my brand new bike being in the shop for the 12th day now....ugh...well, you know where I could go with that.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cdnraider09 on Sep 22, 2010, 03:59:06 pm
hallozen75 what part of the country are you located in? If you still have problems i'd give brent a call
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 23, 2010, 06:30:17 am
Thanks cdn. I'm in the fort Lauderdale area. Who's Brent and how can I find his contact info?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cdnraider09 on Sep 23, 2010, 06:31:53 am
brent is the man to talk to over at TEJAS motorsports, (member bhodge) send him a pm or call TEJAS and ask for him. They are one of this sites sponsors, brent is a great individual with tons of excellent info to offer on the raider.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 23, 2010, 10:27:50 am
ok cool. i will hit him up. thanks!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 27, 2010, 04:35:06 pm
 :-\WOW I finally got some answers from the yamaha shop.  I was told that the rep would be down to fix my bike sometime this week. Today I called to confirm when the rep was to arrive. I was given umm I have not heard anything yet. Well lets just say I got off work early and drove my butt right to the shop.  I had made a phone call to a friend who in turn had already called the shop back.  By the time I arrived at the shop  the owner had already called Yamaha and talked to the rep directly.  The rep will be arriving 7OCT10 to fix my bike.  The Parts have been ordered as well. Cam, Lifters Sleeves, Gaskets everything needed to fix the bike.  So I will not have to wait a week or two for the bike to return. I can't wait to ride like I want again!!!! :-\ :cus:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Sep 27, 2010, 04:42:16 pm
:-\WOW I finally got some answers from the yamaha shop.  I was told that the rep would be down to fix my bike sometime this week. Today I called to confirm when the rep was to arrive. I was given umm I have not heard anything yet. Well lets just say I got off work early and drove my butt right to the shop.  I had made a phone call to a friend who in turn had already called the shop back.  By the time I arrived at the shop  the owner had already called Yamaha and talked to the rep directly.  The rep will be arriving 7OCT10 to fix my bike.  The Parts have been ordered as well. Cam, Lifters Sleeves, Gaskets everything needed to fix the bike.  So I will not have to wait a week or two for the bike to return. I can't wait to ride like I want again!!!! :-\ :cus:

Well the time line before you can ride again sucks but it sounds like they plan on getting you taken care of. At least you have a long riding season so that helps a bit. Good luck on rapid repairs!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 27, 2010, 05:09:49 pm
Rune thanks.. Ohh I forgot to mention This is the second time around for me. So they better get it right this time...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Sep 30, 2010, 01:45:35 pm
 :givemebeer:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Sep 30, 2010, 02:41:04 pm
:-\WOW I finally got some answers from the yamaha shop.  I was told that the rep would be down to fix my bike sometime this week. Today I called to confirm when the rep was to arrive. I was given umm I have not heard anything yet. Well lets just say I got off work early and drove my butt right to the shop.  I had made a phone call to a friend who in turn had already called the shop back.  By the time I arrived at the shop  the owner had already called Yamaha and talked to the rep directly.  The rep will be arriving 7OCT10 to fix my bike.  The Parts have been ordered as well. Cam, Lifters Sleeves, Gaskets everything needed to fix the bike.  So I will not have to wait a week or two for the bike to return. I can't wait to ride like I want again!!!! :-\ :cus:

may they fix it right this time! hope she comes back better than new. mine's still in the shop, day 15. still haven't heard what parts need to be ordered and if they were ordered yet or not. yamaha corp support has been little help or supportive. thanks for letting us know the parts ordered. it gives me a lot to ask the tech when i finally speak with him.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Sep 30, 2010, 02:50:15 pm
call everyday! they will get sick and tired of you calling and actually get things done instead of putting you on the back burner!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Oct 01, 2010, 07:18:47 am
call everyday! they will get sick and tired of you calling and actually get things done instead of putting you on the back burner!
+ 1
I hate doing this, but it really can be effective in getting people moving just to get you to leave them alone.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 01, 2010, 09:54:56 am
call everyday! they will get sick and tired of you calling and actually get things done instead of putting you on the back burner!
+ 1
I hate doing this, but it really can be effective in getting people moving just to get you to leave them alone.

thanks. just left a vm with the service manager. let's see if he calls back.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 01, 2010, 10:48:31 am
btw, i believe in netiquette and don't want to hijack anyone's post. should i start a new thread for my issue?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Oct 01, 2010, 01:00:53 pm
no new thread this on is fine.  It sounds like you are having pretty much the same issues that I am having. I know there has been a few bikes out there with the lifter problem.  We that have the problem just have to keep our heads up high and make sure the dealership does there job and fixes the problem.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 05, 2010, 09:56:02 am
cool so the service mgr called me back and they finally got the bike on a lifter. i went yesterday to the shop and saw the bike torn down.  :'( so far they are definetely replacing the valve cover gaskets and at least two lifters. I explained about replacing all four and apparently yamaha is 'getting back with them about it'. Also they are supposed to check the push rods and cam with a run out gauge this morning. About replacing all lifters, they said they are calling the yamaha dealer service and speaking with someone named Chris who authorizes/finalizes all warranty replacement parts and they can't give me his number. I've been speaking with corp support. Any ideas who to call if they say they're only replacing two lifters?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Oct 05, 2010, 10:03:54 am
I would say if they won't give you Chris' number, ask that they call him and you get to speak to him.  I would not take "no" for an answer; if you refuse to let it go, they'll have to do something to satisfy you. 

ALL FOUR lifters need to be replaced at the same time.  The Yamaha rep and the shop dealt with were very clear on this being necessary each time I had mine in.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 05, 2010, 10:17:48 am
thx Jazzy, just got a call back and they said they just got off the phone with yami and all four lifters are approved. they also want the shop to inspect all the push rods and replace if needed. cam checked out find on run out gauge and all parts should be ordered today.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Oct 07, 2010, 04:48:51 pm
Alright my bike is at the shop and lifters are being replaced....I was able to talk with the Rep for awhile which was good. I was also allowed to watch them take my bike apart.. And I asked alot of questions!!!(http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908b1-3fd9-4ffd.jpg)(http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908b1-400d-9a4f.jpg)(http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908b1-4032-ffe2.jpg)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on Oct 07, 2010, 05:42:04 pm
Alright my bike is at the shop and lifters are being replaced....I was able to talk with the Rep for awhile which was good. I was also allowed to watch them take my bike apart.. And I asked alot of questions!!!(http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908b1-3fd9-4ffd.jpg)(http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908b1-400d-9a4f.jpg)(http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908b1-4032-ffe2.jpg)

Anymore pics?

This is pretty cool that they let you take pics and watch everything.
Did the rep give you any more info on the lifter problems?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Oct 07, 2010, 06:31:35 pm
I have one more pic of the lifters from the side. If you look you can see that the left lifter is down and the right lifter is up.  The lifter with the issues is on the left. He was telling me that the old batch of lifters from 08 are still floating around the have a lot number of 00. What he said happened was when they were being manufactured that a metal disk that is made for them was just being thrown in a bin.  Well they didn't realize that it was damaging the lifters.  The have since went with a different manufacture and the problem should be fixed and the lot number now should end with 10.  He did give me alot of info. I am just happy they are working on my bike. This is the second time they have worked on my bike for lifters.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ROADKILL on Oct 07, 2010, 08:35:37 pm
It would be nice to have the rep's name to pass around until eveyone's lifter prob's are corrected....you'd think that Yammi would contact all there dealerships and give them the heads up on this.....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on Oct 07, 2010, 08:46:04 pm
I wish we could get the vin#'s on the bikes effected.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Floridaliner on Oct 08, 2010, 06:10:32 am
 Good work DC  8)  if they havent reassembled yet, can you get a pic of the inside of the heads?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 08, 2010, 06:59:58 am
I have one more pic of the lifters from the side. If you look you can see that the left lifter is down and the right lifter is up.  The lifter with the issues is on the left. He was telling me that the old batch of lifters from 08 are still floating around the have a lot number of 00. What he said happened was when they were being manufactured that a metal disk that is made for them was just being thrown in a bin.  Well they didn't realize that it was damaging the lifters.  The have since went with a different manufacture and the problem should be fixed and the lot number now should end with 10.  He did give me alot of info. I am just happy they are working on my bike. This is the second time they have worked on my bike for lifters.



Good info D! Is that number a serial number stamped into the lifter itself? My parts arrived at the shop and it would be great if I could have them check before the install.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Oct 08, 2010, 08:28:17 am
Good work DC  8)  if they havent reassembled yet, can you get a pic of the inside of the heads?

No I didn't get a pic of the inside of the heads Good Idea though!!!!

Also I will try and get the Reps info to pass out!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 11, 2010, 11:12:31 am
just heard from the dealer. she's ready! picking her up after work. tech said the lifters have a new part number that supercedes the old faulty ones. will post back and let you guys know how she rides! thanks again for the info on this forum guys, great resource and people.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Floridaliner on Oct 11, 2010, 11:42:11 am
Good work DC  8)  if they havent reassembled yet, can you get a pic of the inside of the heads?

No I didn't get a pic of the inside of the heads Good Idea though!!!!

Also I will try and get the Reps info to pass out!!!

nevermind, they didnt have to remove your heads.  ;D  just the valve covers.........

 good luck guys........
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: hallozen75 on Oct 13, 2010, 09:48:22 am
Initial thoughts after repair–

The lifters, push rods, and valve cover gaskets have been replaced. In the shop for 27 days. Rode her about 70 miles so far. All I can say is this bike is FAST! I forgot how much power she had. Wow. Another thing, she seems smoother but that might be from the oil going to 10W-40 on the 600 mi maintenance. When I let off the throttle now without pulling in the clutch I don’t get a hard jolt like I used to. I’m enjoying her much more and the engine is much quieter and smooth. There was a feeling before that maybe the belt was skipping teeth but that seems to be gone now too. Love this bike!

*disclaimer (knock on wood)

 :raider:

any news on yours dschertz?

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Oct 13, 2010, 10:33:33 am
Initial thoughts after repair–

The lifters, push rods, and valve cover gaskets have been replaced. In the shop for 27 days. Rode her about 70 miles so far. All I can say is this bike is FAST! I forgot how much power she had. Wow. Another thing, she seems smoother but that might be from the oil going to 10W-40 on the 600 mi maintenance. When I let off the throttle now without pulling in the clutch I don’t get a hard jolt like I used to. I’m enjoying her much more and the engine is much quieter and smooth. There was a feeling before that maybe the belt was skipping teeth but that seems to be gone now too. Love this bike!

*disclaimer (knock on wood)

I have alittle over 200 miles on her now running strong and really happy..  Its funny cause have not ridding much since I was in Saint Augustine and now that I have her back and healthy  and I have lost 33 lbs  I have to grab her by the reins and Hold On.. Love IT..... Also installed the Green Halo and I like the look!! Changed to oil to Mobil 1 and am really happy!!!! We should meet in Marathon sometime really soon.
 :raider:

any news on yours dschertz?


Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Floridaliner on Oct 13, 2010, 11:06:15 am
 Sounds great guys.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CBird on Oct 23, 2010, 12:03:12 pm
Well, my lifter issue has been resolved. I dropped her off last Saturday expecting to be down this weekend and in 3.5 days got a call from Jeff that she was ready. I swung by Tejas this morning and there she was in all her glory waiting for me. I had a bad lifter and they replaced all 4.

A big thanks to Tejas for getting me back on the road, the guys at Tejas from the front to the back are First Class. They are definitely defining customer service.

She runs great, I don't remember it being so easy to break the rear loose in 2nd.   ;D

Thanks again Brent and pass it on to your techs!

CBird
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on Oct 23, 2010, 12:30:34 pm
C-bird that is to funny I felt the same exact way.  Once I got mine back for the second time I put 200 miles on her right away.  Then I did some Rips down the road and breaking the tire loose in second was nutts
...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CBird on Oct 25, 2010, 09:09:49 am

Yeah - maybe its the excitement of having it back, you know we wouldn't ride like that out of the the show room! All I know is I am glad to have it back and it runs great!!!

CBird  :raider:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MrWrench on Oct 25, 2010, 10:16:15 am
just had mine done last week and it runs fine! they replace only the front lifters and checked the run out of the cams and the pushrods! they said everything is fine and said yamaha only wants to replace the lifters that are making noise! i think that they are torn between that and replacing all four of them! so well see if i have any probs down the road with the other lifters! hopefully all will be well! BTW! shes in a different shop today getting the mounts made for the sidecar! it will be ready by friday but i still need to do some electrical and paint work on it so the first pics wont be of the finished product!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CBird on Oct 25, 2010, 10:28:50 am

Glad to see your issue is fixed!!! Cant wait to see the side car.  :raider:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: koolkoka on Nov 10, 2010, 02:19:12 pm
My ride (09 Raven S - Jan 09 date) will be going to the shop to get the lifters replaced. Yamaha okayed and dealer called that he got the parts.

Not sure yet if all the lifters will be replaced or not. Anything i need to be checking with the dealer when i drop the bike?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: fake on Nov 10, 2010, 03:28:58 pm
My ride (09 Raven S - Jan 09 date) will be going to the shop to get the lifters replaced. Yamaha okayed and dealer called that he got the parts.

Not sure yet if all the lifters will be replaced or not. Anything i need to be checking with the dealer when i drop the bike?

Yup,
that proves that 2009's with a build date of late 2008 and early 2009 have the lifter problems.  It also seems that the early 2010's which coincide with early 2009 also have the lifter problems.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Btm_Fdr on Jan 07, 2011, 07:57:38 am
Newby on this forum but longtime member of Warrior & V Max forums.Other bikes are:'02 Warrior w/PR 110& NOS,'06 Sprint ST,completely restored '90 V Max w/Stg 7 mods etc.Bought myself '10 Raider on 12/23/10 as Xmas present.Lifter "clatter " started @ approx. 300 miles.Bike is back at dlr.Read posts re: lifter probs w/ Raider after purchase .I am a confirmed Yammi addict/supporter but am wodering about their recent quality control.Went thru 3-4 recalls w/ Warrior & recently had engine lockup due to oil pump drive gear breakage.Oh well seems Raider is great ride in spite of lifter issues on some.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: bagged108rsw on Mar 19, 2011, 11:33:25 pm
My warrior's been noisy as hell. I took a couple videos cold and warmed up. Is this what you guys are going through? Is it just lifter replacement as the fix? This is on a ported 1800 I'm trying to find out if these are 'normal' sounds.

Cold start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGOV9YvmFyw

Warmed up idle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwoxdaO-6k

If i got the right idea maybe this will help others out
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: FIREMAN on Mar 20, 2011, 12:16:41 am
sounds normal to me, my o9 raider runs quite for a 1854 v-twin. O8O
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: stocking_eater on Mar 20, 2011, 05:31:44 am
I believe I hear a tick on your cold start. front cyl.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RangerRick on Mar 20, 2011, 07:32:14 am
Sounds fine to me. ;) My 2009 Raider makes those sounds, sometimes a little less or more when cold, and now has over 18,000 on it ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: XStress on Mar 20, 2011, 06:32:44 pm
I guess next time I am home I will take some video and post it as well. My raider's ticking seems to be getting louder and it doesn't matter if it is cold or hot. Could be nothing but I am starting to get worried. What kind of long term damage could the lifter issue do if not corrected promptly? I just had it in for the 600 mile service and the shop didn't say anything. Then again it took them 2 1/2 days to do the 600 mile service check.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: pup on Mar 20, 2011, 07:20:38 pm
Collapsed lifters make a lot of noise, much more than a tick.   I think all the lifter talk makes people nervous.   Just pay attention to your engine, not someone elses.  Look for consistancy in the way it sounds & behaves.  If it ticks it ticks doesn't have to be a big deal.   Any deviation from whats normal would be worth looking at. 

I've been a diesel mechanic for almost 30 years.  In that time I have seen many engines assembled with the same parts that run differently.  Some are smoother, quieter & better performing than others.   They have their own personalities.  They are very much like women.  Just how it is.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dchertz on May 14, 2011, 07:21:59 am
Ha ha believe me when it NOCKS!!!!!!! you will know.  I have had the issue twice.  Both times Yamaha took care of it no issues.  Alittle frustration but taken care of none the less.  I am sure there is a few sound bites on here.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on May 17, 2011, 09:53:25 pm
Wow... 24 page read, I think I got it all but that was a long one...

I am looking at buying a Raider and I found a leftover 09 Raven for $10,999 and would also get an extended warranty for sure.  It's too bad this bike has gotten so much crap for this issue, but of all the reading I have done it seems this is the only real problem people have had with this bike and overall it sounds like Yamaha is taking care of business, albeit with a few knucklehead dealers in the way.

Hopefully if I do go through with it I don't have this problem but as long as it's being taken care of I think I'm willing to take my chances.  The two fellas in this thread with the 2010's that had lifter issues are the only places I have read about this affecting "non-2009" models and hopefully they were an even smaller batch.

I found another local dealer that has a 2010 Raider S in black but I really want the "Raven" model and the price on the 2010 is $12,299- anyways

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Blake09RaiderS on May 18, 2011, 01:00:27 am
Wow... 24 page read, I think I got it all but that was a long one...

I am looking at buying a Raider and I found a leftover 09 Raven for $10,999 and would also get an extended warranty for sure.  It's too bad this bike has gotten so much crap for this issue, but of all the reading I have done it seems this is the only real problem people have had with this bike and overall it sounds like Yamaha is taking care of business, albeit with a few knucklehead dealers in the way.

Hopefully if I do go through with it I don't have this problem but as long as it's being taken care of I think I'm willing to take my chances.  The two fellas in this thread with the 2010's that had lifter issues are the only places I have read about this affecting "non-2009" models and hopefully they were an even smaller batch.

I found another local dealer that has a 2010 Raider S in black but I really want the "Raven" model and the price on the 2010 is $12,299- anyways

I'm also looking for a leftover 2009 or 2010 Raider - I'm looking for the 'S' model.  I too was a little concerned over the lifter issue but the mechanic at my local dealer - who I trust to give me the straight dope - said that of all the 1900cc motorcycles he's seen come through the shop he's only seen 1 with the lifter issue and it was taken care of really quick by Yamaha overnighting the replacement lifters...  That was very reassuring - I wouldn't hesitate to purchase an '09 or '10 Raider.  Good luck in your hunt! :)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: LostDog on May 18, 2011, 01:13:30 am
Welcome to the Party ikeyes! 09    22,000+ miles  no issues. I would buy another in a heartbeat!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: blaine563 on May 18, 2011, 01:55:01 am
Ha ha believe me when it NOCKS!!!!!!! you will know.  I have had the issue twice.  Both times Yamaha took care of it no issues.  Alittle frustration but taken care of none the less.  I am sure there is a few sound bites on here.

 :agree: When (or IF) your lifters go you will know it!!! It sounds like someone knocking on the side cover with a hammer. On mine it started out lasting a couple of seconds and progressed to several minutes before the hydraulic lifters would pressure up and quiet down. Don't let it stop you from getting this awesome bike, though!!! It is consistently taken care of by the dealers it seems (sometimes with a little persuasion). Pretty minor problem for such a great payback (imho)!!! :) :raider: :)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: A.T. on May 18, 2011, 05:41:12 am
This issue has probably caused more panic than needed.  Yes there were lifter issues but I suspect some have been owners "hearing" normal noises and thinking lifter problem - especially since it has received so much attention. 

This is a big air cooled engine and it makes noise.  Try a heavier oil (20W50) and I bet it quiets the "ticking".   Made a diff for me.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 18, 2011, 09:36:39 am
GUys..keep in mind the prices your quoting for last years models seems high.  YOu might be able to find cheaper elsewhere and simply pay a $200 transfer fee.  Or call Tejas...brent (aka Bhodge) cuts some awesome deals for people here.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ground pounder on May 18, 2011, 10:24:09 am
Also take into account all the people like me who have an 09 who haven't responded to this post because they haven't had any lifter issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: chili on May 18, 2011, 04:52:23 pm
I bought my '09 in January and only have 2000 miles on it, but no problems.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 18, 2011, 07:21:53 pm
Good to hear that there are '09s out there that never had the problem.  I was talking one day with my friend at corp headquarters and he told me that on some of their bikes that had the problem they just smoothed out the lifters to get them within tolerance and the bikes worked fine and have continued to perform without further problems.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on May 18, 2011, 07:30:47 pm
My "09" has 9000 miles on it and seems it still makes the sames noises I noticed when I bought it.  No more, no less. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on May 18, 2011, 09:34:00 pm
OK so here's the deal, I can get the 09 Raven for $11,780 OTD including a 5 year extended warranty that overlaps the first year from Yamaha.  The extended warranty is NOT from Yamaha, but the shop I am dealing with has a good rep. and I bought another bike there a few years ago and they took good care of me etc so I'm not worried about that.

Do you guys think that's a rip or what?  The bike by itself would be about $650 less minus the warranty.  I am in New Hampshire btw so options are fairly limited for finding 09 Raven leftovers  hehe
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RangerRick on May 18, 2011, 10:04:38 pm
I bought my 09 14 months ago for $11,700 with no extended warranty
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 18, 2011, 10:05:35 pm
A few months ago you could get 2010's for 10,300 (not out the door) around MN.  '09s should be even cheaper or at least giving you an excellent accessories budget.   Its been a horrible year so far for riding here...I'm willing to be there are still dealers in Norther Minnesota that are selling them for that...like up by Virginia, Grand Rapids, Duluth, Superior Wisconsin.  Hell Duluth had snow about a week ago.  We had snow a week and a half ago in Minneapolis.  usually I'm riding in March...this year most guys just got their bikes out within the last 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: A.T. on May 19, 2011, 05:52:18 am
OK so here's the deal, I can get the 09 Raven for $11,780 OTD including a 5 year extended warranty that overlaps the first year from Yamaha.  The extended warranty is NOT from Yamaha, but the shop I am dealing with has a good rep. and I bought another bike there a few years ago and they took good care of me etc so I'm not worried about that.

Do you guys think that's a rip or what?  The bike by itself would be about $650 less minus the warranty.  I am in New Hampshire btw so options are fairly limited for finding 09 Raven leftovers  hehe

If OTD truly means OTD (tax, tags, delivery, warranty, etc), that sounds like a decent deal.  Dunno about your neck of the woods but bike prices are on a slight climb around here...

I take it this is a new bike?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Blake09RaiderS on May 19, 2011, 06:10:01 am
OK so here's the deal, I can get the 09 Raven for $11,780 OTD including a 5 year extended warranty that overlaps the first year from Yamaha.  The extended warranty is NOT from Yamaha, but the shop I am dealing with has a good rep. and I bought another bike there a few years ago and they took good care of me etc so I'm not worried about that.

Do you guys think that's a rip or what?  The bike by itself would be about $650 less minus the warranty.  I am in New Hampshire btw so options are fairly limited for finding 09 Raven leftovers  hehe

No sales tax in New Hampshire - that's nice!  I lived in NH for 5-yrs when I first moved to USA and every time I buy a new vehicle I wish that I could buy (and register it) in New Hampshire :)

Here in Connecticut sales tax is 6% but then you pay a hefty property tax on your vehicles every year.  Last year I paid $240 in property tax on a 2009 Suzuki M90 (sticker price of $10,599) so I'm property taxes on a Raider would be even more :(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: pup on May 19, 2011, 07:07:43 pm
OK so here's the deal, I can get the 09 Raven for $11,780 OTD including a 5 year extended warranty that overlaps the first year from Yamaha.  The extended warranty is NOT from Yamaha, but the shop I am dealing with has a good rep. and I bought another bike there a few years ago and they took good care of me etc so I'm not worried about that.

Do you guys think that's a rip or what?  The bike by itself would be about $650 less minus the warranty.  I am in New Hampshire btw so options are fairly limited for finding 09 Raven leftovers  hehe

I would skip the 3rd party warranty.  You can buy the 4 year YES warranty for less at any time within the base warranty period.  I got mine at MOM'S in Manchester & they were good to deal with.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 19, 2011, 07:14:05 pm
Tejas was running a real good warrenty deal a while back.  Ask Bhodge if they still are.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on May 19, 2011, 08:16:18 pm
First of all sorry to highjack this thread, but I figure at 25 pages in who's really gonna mind... hope I'm not making a poor introduction to what seems to be a very nice forum so apologies if that's the case!

That's a great point about the warranty, just because they don't sell the YES doesn't mean I can't just call up any other shop and buy it.  I would feel better overall with a legit Yamaha warranty.

I was told that since I asked for the extended warranty they waived the setup fee, the bike is still in the crate so this is not total BS but what can you do... so here's the real price.

09 Raven with 5 year warranty (3rd party) = $10,999 + $169 doc fee + $27 title +  $585 warranty = $11,780 OTD
But they said they waived a $269 setup fee so that if I did not buy the warranty the bike would end up being $10,999 + $269 setup + $169 doc + $27 title = $11,464 OTD

I bought a 09 Nomad from these guys in 2009 and they only charged me $131 for setup, doc fee, and title so I'm going to remind them of that and plan to shop around for a YES warranty.

@pup - I will def. call Mom's and see what's up, thanks for the tip

@Capt_Zoom - Can I buy a warranty from Tejas being a NH resident?  If so I will get in touch with Bhodge for a quote

Also I have another option on the table as of this evening... I found another 09 Raven used with just under 8k-miles that has leather bags, the star accessories pipes (which sounded great btw on my test ride), and a power commander (don't know which version yet) for $9,999 (asking price at least) and they said I can extend the warranty for up to 4 additional years, but I don't know the details of who's warranty that would be and what it will cost.  It was just before closing so they are going to call me tomorrow with their best offer for OTD price.

This is actually the bike I test rode about a month ago and since I found the shop with the brand new 09 Raven for only $1,000 more I figured why bother with used but if they can put together a nice deal then I wouldn't be opposed since it's already equipped with some nice accessories.  Also they have a full Dyno shop and said they would be willing to do a custom tune for me since they did not install the pipes / commander on the bike.  Also considering the bike's already pushing almost 8,000 miles the odd's are that if the bike did ever have bad lifters they were already swapped out and if not I am getting a warranty regardless but I will definitely closely read the policy and get them to put in writing "this policy covers lifters and cams if needed!"   ;D

Either way fellas I am hoping for some sunshine this Saturday and to take home one of the two bikes.


EDIT - I found out that the used bike has the Star Accessories "Speedstar Staggered Long Drag Exhaust" which the description says as follows:

"Designed to maximize exhaust flow for increased performance with more mid-range torque and overall power. This system features 1-3/4" header pipe with 2-3/8" full-coverage heat shields.

Heat shields are constructed of heavy-gauge steel then polished and richly chrome-plated for an extra-durable, shiny finish. Baffles are non-removable. Comes with mounting bracket and hardware.

This exhaust system will effect emissions and is for closed-course competition only."

They were definitely loud but I'm not sure they wouldn't pass inspection loud... but if I bought the new bike I would be buying pipes anyways I guess so...

Here's what they look like:

(http://imageserv3.team-logic.com/store-logic/products/179/57622/spd-5c709-90-02-inset-500_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 19, 2011, 10:31:07 pm
Yeah you can buy your warranty from anyone.  Some dealers might not be willing to work on the bike but that's their loss since they get paid the same by yamaha anyway.

Also all of the star pipes i've seen on raiders seemed pretty nice and sounded pretty good as well.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on May 20, 2011, 08:03:25 am
Send a PM to bhodge (Brent).   He's the GM of Tejas Motorsports (site sponsor).  I know he's given some pretty good deals on the YES in the past.   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RangerRick on May 20, 2011, 08:33:44 am
Bought my 48 month YES  from Tejas 8) Got a great price also  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Scoob on May 20, 2011, 08:47:19 am
When I bought the ext warranty I called Tejas and got their price and then went to my dealer and told them the price that tejas gave me and he sold it to me for $40 cheaper than Tejas
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SwampStar on May 21, 2011, 09:29:30 pm
Does anybody own an 09 and never had a problem with it. I have 2500 miles so far so good.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: pup on May 21, 2011, 09:58:45 pm
Does anybody own an 09 and never had a problem with it. I have 2500 miles so far so good.

The majority of the bikes don't have any problems at  all.  My 09 has been great.  I think the problem bikes are a very small percentage.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: biggy on May 22, 2011, 09:54:39 am
yes i have a 09 with 12 200 miles on it and so far so good. never had a problem yet.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on May 22, 2011, 07:19:12 pm
Well guys I am proud to say that I also now have an 09 with 38 miles on it and have never had a problem with it!!!  I look forward to many thousands of miles of the same   ;D

The manufacture date on my 09 Raven is 03/09... just incase anybody is keeping track of that stuff.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: pup on May 22, 2011, 08:41:08 pm
Congratulations on the new bike.  I hope you enjoy it.  Where did you buy it? 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Blake09RaiderS on May 23, 2011, 11:48:46 am
Will Yamaha fix the lifter issue on motorcycles out of warranty.  I may end up buying a low mileage '08 or '09 used Raider without factory warranty and wonder what would happen if the motorcycle is affected by the lifter issue?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on May 23, 2011, 04:44:05 pm
I bought it at Rochester Motorsports, they are all sold out of 2009 leftovers I believe but they have a 2010 Raider S in blue and a 2011 in Red, don't remember if it was the S or not.

Blake09RaiderS if you do find a used Raider you like an extended warranty can probably be purchased through Zurich if not from Yamaha but I hear putting a YES policy on a used bike is uber expensive.  For example the dealer with the used 09 Raven with 7,800 miles on it offered a 3 year Zurich warranty for $795... pricey but options are limited on a used vehicle.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 23, 2011, 07:26:09 pm
Will Yamaha fix the lifter issue on motorcycles out of warranty.  I may end up buying a low mileage '08 or '09 used Raider without factory warranty and wonder what would happen if the motorcycle is affected by the lifter issue?

Yes...supposedly. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: tejas240 on May 25, 2011, 07:57:55 pm
If you look on e-bay you can find yammi dealers selling ext. warranties, I found 4 yrs for 379.00 ;D     http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Genuine-Yamaha-4-year-extended-warranty-motorcycles-YES-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a50b60a08QQitemZ250462210568QQptZAutomotiveQ5fServicesQQvilZ1                                                                                                         
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jun 22, 2011, 07:30:51 am
So... started up the bike this morning and guess what... clack clack clack... I let it idle for a good minute and blipped the throttle a few times to see if that would free it up and it didn't seem to change so I slowly opened the throttle to about 1/4 maybe and held it there for about 5 seconds and then when I let go the noise went away.

It sounded like it was coming from the "rear" half of the engine... I'll see if it continues to get worse, I thought I heard this yesterday morning when I started it up but it went away quick... so already it's much worse only one day later.  I expected this though buying an 09 so at least I was mentally prepared for this.  I discussed the possibility of this happening with the sales manager and the service manager at my dealership before I bought the bike... I even had the sales manager write on the contract "lifters will be covered by warranty"  hehe
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 22, 2011, 09:48:49 am
So... started up the bike this morning and guess what... clack clack clack... I let it idle for a good minute and blipped the throttle a few times to see if that would free it up and it didn't seem to change so I slowly opened the throttle to about 1/4 maybe and held it there for about 5 seconds and then when I let go the noise went away.

It sounded like it was coming from the "rear" half of the engine... I'll see if it continues to get worse, I thought I heard this yesterday morning when I started it up but it went away quick... so already it's much worse only one day later.  I expected this though buying an 09 so at least I was mentally prepared for this.  I discussed the possibility of this happening with the sales manager and the service manager at my dealership before I bought the bike... I even had the sales manager write on the contract "lifters will be covered by warranty"  hehe

I'd get it in before there is any damage to the cam.  Maybe they can get you a loaner or get'er done by the 4th of July holiday
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jun 22, 2011, 10:07:47 am
I really hope so because I am set for a week and half of vacation the week after the 4th... specifically to ride!

I'm thinking I will need to leave the bike with them so they can hear it in the morning, if I ride it over there it's not going to happen and they prob. won't believe me.  Tomorrow morning I am going to record it on my phone... if it happens again tomorrow I probably just won't ride her and take my other bike and then plan to bring the bike in ASAP.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: chili on Jun 22, 2011, 11:07:30 am
I bought my '09 in January and only have 4500 miles on it but no lifter problem yet *knocks wood*.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jun 22, 2011, 11:13:48 am
What is the production date on your bike?  Mine is 03/09
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 22, 2011, 02:11:57 pm
What is the production date on your bike?  Mine is 03/09

If I recall the lifter issue usually happens before you reach 1500 miles.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 22, 2011, 04:50:17 pm
so guys....if you get a used raider and this lifter issue happens, will it not be covered under warentee if the time has expired or is this a recall issue that all lifter issues will be honored?

Last I heard it is still covered.  Same goes for after your warranty has expired.  But before buying I'd give mama yamaha a call just to verify.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jun 22, 2011, 07:18:32 pm
Right on, my bike is just over 1200 miles...

I drove it to my dealer after work, the service manager said he did one a long time ago but it's the only time he's seen it.  He knew the deal, said he would call Yamaha and get parts ordered etc. and that they definitely just do all four lifters at once now.  I feel much better now that he was up to speed already on the issue.

Just want to say thanks to all who have contributed to this thread, I read through all this before I bought my 09 Raider knowing full well I would possibly have to deal with this and when it happened I wasn't actually that upset because I knew why it was happening and exactly how to handle it.  When I left work this afternoon I used my phone to record the sound of me starting the engine, just in case it happened again and sure enough after only sitting for about 7 hours it did it and I uploaded it to YouTube... it's audio only but you can clearly hear the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mYMSA0-l_o
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 22, 2011, 07:42:17 pm
Definitely the lifter issue.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on Jun 25, 2011, 06:57:47 pm
Hi all,  new guy here. i just purchased a 2010 raider (mfg 6-2009) and after 165 miles from zero miles off showroom floor the front lifters started this noise. took about 4 miles to get it to clear as i drove it to the dealer to make note of it. As i go to leave i start it and ensure its cleared but it had drained out in the 15 minutes it sat. So i had the tech come out and listen to it, he heard it and is going to replace all of the lifters under warranty. No questions asked no hassle no cost to me. I read this thread before i bought and was keeping an ear out for it but i had the gremlin. Good thing is that the gremlin is going to be removed. 

I also noticed about 20-30 less power during and after the lifter started its fit so it has failed and not doing its valve lifting job like it should. Other than this known issue, i LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!  did 150 miles the first day i had it and not a bit of pain or discomfort while riding. Now to start the mod process.!!!!   

Note, the clacking was exactly the same as the video posted above. It started as a slight tick barely noticeable but then opened right up and noise and not as a gradual thing but like a on off switch.

randy
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Gungod on Jun 25, 2011, 07:49:59 pm
I just recently purchased my 09 raider in apr and came to find out that it had a setof litters replaced by the dealer.  It had 4060 mi on it when I bought it, now I have almost 7000 mi.  So far no bad knocking, hope the other ones don't go bad.  Good thing is the guy I got it from got the extended warranty.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 25, 2011, 07:59:58 pm
Those of you who have recently experienced the lifter issue....can you go back to the original lifter thread (look for the one with the most pages) and add yourself to the poll that's trying to track the stats by the year of bike.  Thx.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jacknife on Jun 25, 2011, 08:05:47 pm
Hi all,  new guy here. i just purchased a 2010 raider (mfg 6-2009) and after 165 miles from zero miles off showroom floor the front lifters started this noise. took about 4 miles to get it to clear as i drove it to the dealer to make note of it. As i go to leave i start it and ensure its cleared but it had drained out in the 15 minutes it sat. So i had the tech come out and listen to it, he heard it and is going to replace all of the lifters under warranty. No questions asked no hassle no cost to me. I read this thread before i bought and was keeping an ear out for it but i had the gremlin. Good thing is that the gremlin is going to be removed. 

I also noticed about 20-30 less power during and after the lifter started its fit so it has failed and not doing its valve lifting job like it should. Other than this known issue, i LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!  did 150 miles the first day i had it and not a bit of pain or discomfort while riding. Now to start the mod process.!!!!   

Note, the clacking was exactly the same as the video posted above. It started as a slight tick barely noticeable but then opened right up and noise and not as a gradual thing but like a on off switch.

randy
Exactly the way it should be taken care of,glad to hear of no hassle!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on Jun 25, 2011, 08:56:11 pm
Those of you who have recently experienced the lifter issue....can you go back to the original lifter thread (look for the one with the most pages) and add yourself to the poll that's trying to track the stats by the year of bike.  Thx.

will do sir!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: blaine563 on Jun 25, 2011, 09:35:36 pm
Here is the link to the lifter poll.  :)

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2354.0
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: EZRaider on Jun 26, 2011, 07:37:40 am
Hey Capt Zoom,

I noticed that poll doesn't go beyond 2009 model years.
I know I've seen a few 2010 lifter problems here (not me).
Is anyone going to update they poll to include the more
current years?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jun 26, 2011, 08:55:57 am
I put my vote in on the poll.  Talked to the dealer yesterday, parts should be in midweek and I should have the bike by the weekend or sooner.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 26, 2011, 10:23:10 am
Hey Capt Zoom,

I noticed that poll doesn't go beyond 2009 model years.
I know I've seen a few 2010 lifter problems here (not me).
Is anyone going to update they poll to include the more
current years?

Not sure but it would be nice if the admins created a new first post for that thread and update the poll.  I would think that most '09 owners have had the problem if they are going to have it.  To me the poll is helpful for the person buying '09-11 bikes new or used.   I'm actually surprised that the totals are as low as they are for the problem.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 03, 2011, 12:41:21 pm
So the weekend came... no word from the dealer.  I called yesterday and found out that the service manager is now on vacation for the next week...  I tried to get a hold of someone in service but they never picked up the phone and when I asked someone out front to go back there they came back to the phone and said "they have a ton of people and can't come to the phone right now."

I called back again and asked to speak to my salesman, he never called me back.  I called and asked for the sales manager, he couldn't come to the phone and was told he would call me back ASAP... never happened.  I called back again a few hours later, asked for the owner and was told "he just left for the day..."

Not impressed... and now they won't be open again until Tuesday.   :banghead:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 109rfan on Jul 03, 2011, 12:53:41 pm
if i got that treatemnt id go down to the place and make a scene    make sure every prospective customer saw how i was treated
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: blaine563 on Jul 03, 2011, 07:01:58 pm
So the weekend came... no word from the dealer.  I called yesterday and found out that the service manager is now on vacation for the next week...  I tried to get a hold of someone in service but they never picked up the phone and when I asked someone out front to go back there they came back to the phone and said "they have a ton of people and can't come to the phone right now."

I called back again and asked to speak to my salesman, he never called me back.  I called and asked for the sales manager, he couldn't come to the phone and was told he would call me back ASAP... never happened.  I called back again a few hours later, asked for the owner and was told "he just left for the day..."

Not impressed... and now they won't be open again until Tuesday.   :banghead:

Definitely need a face to face with that owner! :fired: Do you have any nearby dealers you could switch to? I think they just earned your loyalty - TO SOMEONE ELSE! Sucks man! >:(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jul 03, 2011, 10:28:07 pm
I'd go down there and raise some major hell!  Threaten to contact the BBB and your state attorneys office if they go over the timeline they stated.  Nobody should be giving a customer that kind of run-around.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on Jul 04, 2011, 11:38:22 am
Hey everyone, i am still waiting for parts to come in to get mine fixed at the dealer, they could have next day aired the parts but i guess that is too much to ask. My big question is, when everyone who experienced the lifter issue, did you also notice a reduction in power output? i noticed a good %30 reduction as i presume with the valves not actuated fully it would cause a rich scenario and the ecu would defuel to get its set a/f ratio. does this make sense to everyone?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Jul 04, 2011, 01:32:57 pm
Was listening for the lifter problem but didn't hear what I considered to be lifter noise. With the fairing on I did hear som odd noises that I didn't hear before installing it so I figure it's either an "echo" bouncing off the fairing or the reduction in windnoise is allowing me to hear more engine noise.

But I also put on 2300 miles over the period of a few days riding Xcntry and I'm thinking maybe I honed them in by riding that far. Probably false thinking since once they're pumped up then they should stay that way and the inner portion of the lifter shouldn't be moving too much in relation to the outer part of the lifter. We'll see how it goes next year.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: IML8 on Jul 04, 2011, 10:54:23 pm
Hey everyone, i am still waiting for parts to come in to get mine fixed at the dealer, they could have next day aired the parts but i guess that is too much to ask. My big question is, when everyone who experienced the lifter issue, did you also notice a reduction in power output? i noticed a good %30 reduction as i presume with the valves not actuated fully it would cause a rich scenario and the ecu would defuel to get its set a/f ratio. does this make sense to everyone?

Mine would start ticking the further I rode, the hotter it got. By the time I got home it was banging pretty good and was obvious that things were not right. As far as power goes, it seemed a little sluggish but not overly under powered. I had 506 miles on when the problem rose so straight to the dealer I went. The Raider has been in the shop since last Thursday and theyy said it would be about a week to get parts so I didn't get to ride this 4th. Looking forward to getting her back on the rode and putting some miles on. :raider:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 05, 2011, 06:33:11 pm
Called again today, service manager was back in the shop and picked up the phone:

"Oh yeah, let me see if those parts are here yet... yup should be able to finish it up today or tomorrow."

I frigging hope so... I can't believe it took over a week to get parts in.  I am going to wait until everything is complete and the bike is back in my hands and then I'll have a nice little chat with the owner.   ;)

There is another shop not two miles from my work that will be happy to service my bike from that point forward.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 07, 2011, 11:58:48 am
I called the morning of 07/05 and was told the parts were in, they should be able to wrap it up that day or by the end of the next day.  Called back at the end of the next day (last night), and was told they still hadn't even started working on the bike! 

This morning I get a call from the service manager and he tells me that they opened up the parts to start the job and that the wrong gaskets were shipped!  He said the correct part number was ordered, but the gaskets inside are wrong... then he proceeds to tell me that Yamaha won't overnight any parts, so it will probably be another week for those to come in and then they can get started on it!  He then suggests that I come and pick up the bike so that I can just ride it until the parts come in... are you kidding me?!  I don't want to ride the bike and make things worse!

I asked him why my bike is taking a back seat to everything else they have in that shop, and was told that they only have two technicians who are qualified to do a job like this and that they have 40+ other "high priority" jobs in the shop so they just do their best!  I asked why the dealership isn't DEMANDING the parts to be shipped overnight... even if they have to pay for it.  He said even if they get them by 12:00pm tomorrow they may not have time to finish the job and that Saturday's are crazy busy so there is no way to guarantee the bike will be even worked on!

I told him to do his best to get the parts shipped overnight and to call me ASAP and hung up... I then called right back and asked to speak with the owner.  I was put on hold for a few minutes and told that he was busy and could they take a message.  I said absolutely not, I will hold on the line until he is free... put him on the phone.  Another few minutes passed and the sales manager who wrote up my bike picked up the phone.

I explained that my bike had been there already for two weeks, that the wrong parts had been ordered, and that I was being blown off and told it might be another week for parts to even arrive... I told him about how I called multiple times over the past weekend and nobody ever called me back.  This guy FINALLY stepped up like I had been expecting from the dealership the entire time and said he was extremely sorry about the whole thing, that he really appreciated my patience, and he said that the service manager was blowing smoke up my ass.

He said that he will follow up on getting the parts sent overnight and that my bike will be worked on the second they arrive.  He told me straight up that because it's a warranty job they are putting paying customers ahead of me and that was total BS etc etc...  I couldn't have agreed with him any more.  He said he'll be all over the service department to make sure this is a #1 priority, and I hope he does.  That is what I wanted to hear from day one. 

That dealership should be embarrassed!  I realize they didn't screw up the bike themselves, but they are the face of Yamaha and they sold me the bike... they should be kissing my ass to keep me happy while my brand new motorcycle is sitting in their garage for a major repair not 30 days after I purchased it!  I said that if I had just brought the bike in for some routine maintenance or whatever then of course I am no more important than anyone else.  I am not looking for anything out of these guys other than to take my issue seriously...  I don't want any free stuff or compensation etc... I just want my bike back on the road.

By the way... the sales manager rides a 2009 Raider... and he's never had any issues with the lifters on his bike.  He actually sounded pissed off on the phone with the whole thing, I hope he follows through.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: blaine563 on Jul 07, 2011, 01:44:12 pm
Hi ikeyes,

Seems to me that no matter what they do from here on out, they would have a hard time earning my business again. I would definately contact Yamaha. And when you get your customer satisfaction survey you will have a chance to express yourself. Here's the contact info from the Yamaha dot com site:  Star Motorcycles Contact Us

Yamaha Motor Corporation, USA
6555 Katella Avenue
 Cypress, CA 90630

 Sales, marketing and distribution of Star Motorcycles.

 Customer Relations
 (800) 962-7926, press "3" for Star Specialist.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jul 07, 2011, 03:05:45 pm
I called the morning of 07/05 and was told the parts were in, they should be able to wrap it up that day or by the end of the next day.  Called back at the end of the next day (last night), and was told they still hadn't even started working on the bike! 

This morning I get a call from the service manager and he tells me that they opened up the parts to start the job and that the wrong gaskets were shipped!  He said the correct part number was ordered, but the gaskets inside are wrong... then he proceeds to tell me that Yamaha won't overnight any parts, so it will probably be another week for those to come in and then they can get started on it!  He then suggests that I come and pick up the bike so that I can just ride it until the parts come in... are you kidding me?!  I don't want to ride the bike and make things worse!

I asked him why my bike is taking a back seat to everything else they have in that shop, and was told that they only have two technicians who are qualified to do a job like this and that they have 40+ other "high priority" jobs in the shop so they just do their best!  I asked why the dealership isn't DEMANDING the parts to be shipped overnight... even if they have to pay for it.  He said even if they get them by 12:00pm tomorrow they may not have time to finish the job and that Saturday's are crazy busy so there is no way to guarantee the bike will be even worked on!

I told him to do his best to get the parts shipped overnight and to call me ASAP and hung up... I then called right back and asked to speak with the owner.  I was put on hold for a few minutes and told that he was busy and could they take a message.  I said absolutely not, I will hold on the line until he is free... put him on the phone.  Another few minutes passed and the sales manager who wrote up my bike picked up the phone.

I explained that my bike had been there already for two weeks, that the wrong parts had been ordered, and that I was being blown off and told it might be another week for parts to even arrive... I told him about how I called multiple times over the past weekend and nobody ever called me back.  This guy FINALLY stepped up like I had been expecting from the dealership the entire time and said he was extremely sorry about the whole thing, that he really appreciated my patience, and he said that the service manager was blowing smoke up my ass.

He said that he will follow up on getting the parts sent overnight and that my bike will be worked on the second they arrive.  He told me straight up that because it's a warranty job they are putting paying customers ahead of me and that was total BS etc etc...  I couldn't have agreed with him any more.  He said he'll be all over the service department to make sure this is a #1 priority, and I hope he does.  That is what I wanted to hear from day one. 

That dealership should be embarrassed!  I realize they didn't screw up the bike themselves, but they are the face of Yamaha and they sold me the bike... they should be kissing my ass to keep me happy while my brand new motorcycle is sitting in their garage for a major repair not 30 days after I purchased it!  I said that if I had just brought the bike in for some routine maintenance or whatever then of course I am no more important than anyone else.  I am not looking for anything out of these guys other than to take my issue seriously...  I don't want any free stuff or compensation etc... I just want my bike back on the road.

By the way... the sales manager rides a 2009 Raider... and he's never had any issues with the lifters on his bike.  He actually sounded pissed off on the phone with the whole thing, I hope he follows through.

At minimum you should ask that sales manager to give you a big discount "like cost" on anything you purchase for the next year.  Cost in this industry is usually 20-30% off.  This is basically what happened to mean a few years back, I flipped and took the bike elsewhere to be repaired.

Report the crap out of them to yamaha
then add them to this sites blacklist and mention to their service manager and owner that you'll be doing so
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 08, 2011, 01:57:48 pm
I just called them again and talked to the sales manager looking for an update... he said they did over night the parts and that my bike is on the lift right now and MIGHT be done today and if not they can wrap it up for tomorrow... now that's more like it!  They close at 6:00pm so he said to call at 5:00pm and he'll have an answer one way or the other.  The only reason he asked me to call him was because he is all alone on the sales floor today, I've got no problem with that.

To be fair this is the first bad experience I have had with this dealership, but I doubt I will be using their service department in the future.  When I bought my 2009 Nomad there was a paint chip on the gas tank, and the service manager (same guy I'm dealing with now) was awesome and took care of it immediately.  He covered the tank under warranty and when I brought the bike in for my break in service he swapped it all out then and there and did so with a smile.

Not sure what has changed, maybe they really are just ridiculously busy but that's still no excuse... Also I do intend to call Yamaha and let them know what happened but I am going to wait until the whole thing is wrapped up.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jul 08, 2011, 04:37:55 pm
In my experience with metric dealers the sales teams will bend over backwards for you but service departments are a totally different animal.  So much more difficult finding good service. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on Jul 11, 2011, 11:44:10 pm
So last wed i finally got the bike back, all four lifters replaced and when i looked at the old ones two were definately collapsed. With 3 miles on the bike when bought to 180 to lifter failure i have since put upwards of 560 miles with ZERO issues, normal sounds and no ticking even on cold start. plenty of power and after drilling the exhaust i have some nice sound for now.  Still breaking it in nicely with varying degrees of throttle and heat cycles.  Now to put up pics!
Title: Lifters....yet again
Post by: EZRaider on Jul 12, 2011, 06:24:30 am
Congrats on getting her fixed and back on the road.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 13, 2011, 05:19:15 pm
Got my bike back today finally, once I had that chat with the sales manager he was on top of things no questions asked.  The service manager thanked me for being so patient and sent me on my way.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: XStress on Jul 14, 2011, 05:41:56 pm
Great news ikeyes. I had been worried about mine when I first got it. I have almost 3,000 miles on it now with no issues. EVERY blue moon it will make a little racket if it sits for more than a week but only for a second or so. I just don't let it sit if I can help it. Heading up to Hot Springs, AR on it next weekend with a group of riders. Always a nice ride.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 23, 2011, 09:30:56 am
Update!

When I took the bike I headed out for a good ride of about 85 miles, and I was feeling a lack of power and hearing some exhaust fluttering.  I took it straight back to the dealer, and the technician who did my repair was working so I got to speak with him.  I described what I was hearing and he went through and checked everything from the airbox to the headers and everything appeared tight and in place properly etc.  He said he thought it was just because I hadn't been on the bike for three weeks, maybe I never noticed the noises before.  He took it for a short ride and still said he heard nothing and sent me on my way, but did say of course if you keep hearing it or it gets worse to come back.

I rode home, hit up the Search function here on the forum, and I found info that pointed me to the EXUP valve adjustment...  So off came the heatshield and I referenced the pictures in the service manual and found that the valve was completely off and the cables were installed backwards.  I brought it in the next day and showed the tech and he was very apologetic and sent me on my way.  He just kept saying "How the F did you hear that?  Seriously?!" It was funny, but he was humble about it and I didn't give him a hard time, so all was well.

I left again and then realized just how much power I had really been missing... I would guess about 20%?!  With the EXUP screwed up like that if I did a hard launch there would be a good 1/2 to 1 second delay and then the bike would lurch forward and not in a smooth way.  I think the valve was adjusted closed and with the cables backwards I think it was just pulling it closed even tighter or something when I cracked on the throttle.

That's when I noticed the chirping sounds when I sharply closed the throttle...  I checked and my belt is def. very loose so I called them again and they said to bring it in and they will adjust it for me no problem.  I'm not entirely sure why my belt would have been touched during the lifter repair?  But it was not like that before I brought it in that's for damn sure.

Anyways the bike is running great otherwise now.  :)

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RaiderX5455 on Jul 23, 2011, 08:16:13 pm
Alright so early this morning i took my 09 raider in for the lifter issue, I spoke to the lady at the service desk and and told her of this issue.. she looked at me like i was crazy. She asked me how do i know for sure that the lifters are the issue? I told her Ive done quite bit of research on it and that I managed to contact a yamaha rep. The yamaha rep was very aware of the issue, and told me exactly what i should expect from the dealer. I was told that all four lifters should be replaced and the cams must be checked for damage. Your dealer should make it a top priorty,parts should be ordered and next day aired,  being that you just rolled off the showroom floor with it. Thus being said from yamaha, I will expect no less than to be treated this way. I will get in contact with my salesman, he seemed to be a good guy, im sure he'l speed things along for me. But just speaking with the service people made me feel like im being put on the backburner...  I got a big ride coming up next weekend with friends and family. I be pretty bummed out if i miss it..

 Ill be Hoping for excellent customer service from my dealer..  :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: XStress on Jul 24, 2011, 07:10:41 pm
Good luck RaiderX5455.

I got to take mine for a nice ride this weekend. I get some lifter noise when I first start it up from time to time but 98% of the time it has treated me right. Hope you make your ride.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: A.T. on Jul 24, 2011, 08:54:58 pm
Update!

When I took the bike I headed out for a good ride of about 85 miles, and I was feeling a lack of power and hearing some exhaust fluttering.  I took it straight back to the dealer, and the technician who did my repair was working so I got to speak with him.  I described what I was hearing and he went through and checked everything from the airbox to the headers and everything appeared tight and in place properly etc.  He said he thought it was just because I hadn't been on the bike for three weeks, maybe I never noticed the noises before.  He took it for a short ride and still said he heard nothing and sent me on my way, but did say of course if you keep hearing it or it gets worse to come back.

I rode home, hit up the Search function here on the forum, and I found info that pointed me to the EXUP valve adjustment...  So off came the heatshield and I referenced the pictures in the service manual and found that the valve was completely off and the cables were installed backwards.  I brought it in the next day and showed the tech and he was very apologetic and sent me on my way.  He just kept saying "How the F did you hear that?  Seriously?!" It was funny, but he was humble about it and I didn't give him a hard time, so all was well.

I left again and then realized just how much power I had really been missing... I would guess about 20%?!  With the EXUP screwed up like that if I did a hard launch there would be a good 1/2 to 1 second delay and then the bike would lurch forward and not in a smooth way.  I think the valve was adjusted closed and with the cables backwards I think it was just pulling it closed even tighter or something when I cracked on the throttle.

That's when I noticed the chirping sounds when I sharply closed the throttle...  I checked and my belt is def. very loose so I called them again and they said to bring it in and they will adjust it for me no problem.  I'm not entirely sure why my belt would have been touched during the lifter repair?  But it was not like that before I brought it in that's for damn sure.

Anyways the bike is running great otherwise now.  :)

Glad to hear all is well.  Have you always missed the 20% and is this boosted power something new?   If so, how does this change  compare to the Vulcan 2K?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 24, 2011, 09:07:56 pm
No the power loss was relative to how it was running before I brought the bike in for service.  I still think the V2K and the Raider are very closely matched overall just going off the old butt dyno.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreek on Jul 26, 2011, 04:10:37 pm
Bob O Boy! The issues Yamaha has had with these lifters. After reading all of these posts I figure if mine takes a dump with one of the lifters? I'll just replace all four them using the  better grade aftermarket lifters myself.

I purchased a new 09 in the crate in May of this year, and so far I haven't heard a peep out of this engine. Granted I only have 700 miles on it right now, but it's been running great. Hopefully this one is one of the few that don't seem to be having problems? If so, you all have helped me make my mind up about what I should do.

I'm sure there are some who would wonder why I would do my own repairs if the bike is under warranty? The reason is simple for me. I had a 06 Yamaha FJR I had a circuit short in the grip heater circuit. Being mine was the auto shift, the computer fuse was on the same circuit. I took the bike in for what I thought would be a straight up repair. Unable to get factory replacment parts, three months and a complete wiring harness later, I got my bike back. All the bike needed was the throttle side heated handgrip replaced.

I am not going through that again!   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RaiderX5455 on Jul 27, 2011, 12:14:06 pm
Update on my lifter issue..

Finally talked to service manager, he told me he ordered all new lifters and new gaskets.. and that i should be riding by the weekend!

Lifter repair in 1 week!  :ohyeah: 

Props to my dealer, they are truly top notch..(Zonatti Cycles, Butler, PA)  Il be sure to thank everyone that worked on my bike.. i was expecting the worst, after reading some of the experiences of some taking 24 days ++.. Thats truly unbelievable.


Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Jul 27, 2011, 01:49:58 pm
I put my vote in on the poll.  Talked to the dealer yesterday, parts should be in midweek and I should have the bike by the weekend or sooner.

It then took them three weeks to get the repair done... not to be a downer bro... and they screwed up a few other things along the way including the EXUP valve and the belt was loose.  I still have to go back to get that tightened up.  Just stay on them, I hope you do have it by this weekend!

Also the service manager kept telling me it would only be a 3-4 hour job, no big deal.  It took them 14 hours and then Yamaha only paid them for 2.5 hours of labor!  LOL  Or at least that's what the sales manager told me.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreek on Aug 05, 2011, 06:01:56 pm
I'm running the Yamaha stuff.  I've been reading a few discussions about running the synthetic oil, and I am planning on switching it out.  This dealership wanted to "run that by Yamaha to make sure it doesn't void the warranty", so as soon as they get their heads out of their a*ses I'll be running "fake" oil in the bike....

Anthony

The only way any Manufacturer can deny a Warranty coverage because of oil is if they change out the oil and filter during the warranty period for free. There is a Federal Law (Magnason something or other Act. I can't remember the whole name of this Law) prohibiting Manufacturers from denying a Warranty because you used any oil or filter of your choice. As long as the oil is up to or above the Manufacturers Spec's, and it is changed according to the Manufacturers Owner's Manual.

I worked as a Harley Service Writer for a very short time. Harley was trying to tell their customers who bought new bikes from them they could only use pure Harley Oil and Filters. Plus the first Service had to be done by them (which the Customer paid for mind you) using Harley only products. First they said Synthetic Oils weren't to be used, or it voids the Warranty. Then Harley came out with their own brand Synthetic. Go Figure.......

If any dealership tells you that unless you use them and their products, your Warranty is Void? This is totally against the Law! It's a scare tactic for them to make more money for the Dealership, and their Mechanics.

I hope this helps some?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Aug 06, 2011, 12:48:50 am
Update on my lifter issue..

Finally talked to service manager, he told me he ordered all new lifters and new gaskets.. and that i should be riding by the weekend!

Lifter repair in 1 week!  :ohyeah: 

Props to my dealer, they are truly top notch..(Zonatti Cycles, Butler, PA)  Il be sure to thank everyone that worked on my bike.. i was expecting the worst, after reading some of the experiences of some taking 24 days ++.. Thats truly unbelievable.

Cool! For those looking (and not to be critical but it's spelled Zanotti's) for H-D mail order parts this place has some good prices. They might also offer a discount for other brands but either way, you have to know the part number you're looking for since they don't have a catalog. I ordered my service manuals through them and they ship to APO addresses. Thanks for posting up and glad to hear they are taking care of your ride.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wiz_of_wuz on Sep 01, 2011, 06:34:28 pm
Soooooooooooooooooooo

I got a 2009  manufactured in October.   SO i have read about the lifter issue and and I am 40 miles from 1000.  At about 720 miles I started her up and she sounded like a diesel for about 5 seconds and then it went away.  Then about 2 days later is did the same thing but it only did it for 2 seconds.  It has never done it since.  So with the history of this problem do you think i have avoided the "The Grim Raider" or does this come back with a vengeance when I least expect it?


Wiz
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: blaine563 on Sep 01, 2011, 06:47:35 pm
Hate to be the bearer wiz.....

Mine had a few episodes like you describe, but it really hit hard somewhere around the 5000km (3000mile) mark. If it does it again get your dealer to pre-order the parts for you!!!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: FIREMAN on Sep 01, 2011, 06:56:55 pm
sounds like lifters trying to bleed down, should not be making a racket ( like a diesel) on start. let your dealer make a note of what you heard, cover your butt.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CBird on Sep 01, 2011, 09:01:50 pm
Hate to be the bearer wiz.....

Mine had a few episodes like you describe, but it really hit hard somewhere around the 5000km (3000mile) mark. If it does it again get your dealer to pre-order the parts for you!!!

 :agree: Sounds like the issue with mine, pretty soon it will be on every other start up.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on Sep 01, 2011, 11:26:28 pm
yep get it looked at now, if they agree to replace them ensure all 4 are replaced and have them inspect the cams
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Sep 02, 2011, 07:24:00 am
Wanted to report back that it's been about 1,200 miles since I had the lifters replaced, the bike is running perfectly.

I agree that anybody who is having this issue, no matter how small, should report it to their dealer... I brought mine in the same day I heard it and because it's a well known issue they approved the repair no questions asked.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on Sep 02, 2011, 11:45:41 am
mine failed at 150 miles im at 4900 now and no issues either.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wiz_of_wuz on Sep 02, 2011, 09:17:57 pm
Well based on the experiences of the team I went and talked to the dealer today.  She is going in on the 19th of September to get her new lifters. :)  Thanks for the advice...

Wiz
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jwejroch on Sep 21, 2011, 07:19:42 pm

I just bought an 09 Raider, little concerned about the lifter issue.  If you have the issue, does it only make noise on startup?  I have 300 mi, fine on startup, but makes a rattle/clicking noise from the top end(loud) when revving or RPM's get up?  Is that normal or a problem???  All is stock.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wiz_of_wuz on Sep 21, 2011, 07:33:45 pm
My experience is you will know.  Mine sounded like a diesel engine....  There was no mistaken the sound.  Everyone says these big V-Twins make some noises.   But you will hear the lifters and will know. Some people have had zero problems with their 09's.  So go ride her like the bad girl she is!! O8O
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jwejroch on Sep 21, 2011, 07:37:55 pm

Thanks, will do.  Now for some pipes....   ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wiz_of_wuz on Oct 07, 2011, 10:53:10 am
OK. I don't believe what has happened to me but it sounds like a trend.  Took my bike in on the 17th of September to dealership to have lifters fixed.  I actually made the appointment 2weeks into the future so when the bike come in they could focus on it right away. So last week my wife calls the dealership to get a status on the bike for we hadn't heard anything.  They tell her they expect the bike to be done this week on wed. Cool I am traveling to Denver for the week and mybike will be ready when I get home tonight.  So the wife calls on my behalf on wed to verify the status.  They proceed to tell her that they have not even looked at the bike.  So she emails me and gives me the news and now I am not happy.  So this morning I call and take to the service manager and je gives me a totally different story.  He proceeds to tell me on how they have been working on it and they can't duplicate the problem. So I said out are lying as you have told 3 stories and they all have been lies to this point.  Here is the asskicker.  He says "whatever"  I asked him dod you just tell me what ever?  So needless to say I hung p on him and got on my flight home.  I am currently at 37 thousand feet on a airplane pissed and trying to decide what to do.  I left a VM for the div manager of fox power sports and he surprisingly don't work Fridays.  Still pissed!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ares X on Oct 07, 2011, 11:01:13 am
That's why I make a nuisance of myself and call all the time when the dealer has my bike. They may get tired of hearing from me, but there are usually no suprises.

GOOD LUCK!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Oct 07, 2011, 12:17:18 pm
OK. I don't believe what has happened to me but it sounds like a trend.  Took my bike in on the 17th of September to dealership to have lifters fixed.  I actually made the appointment 2weeks into the future so when the bike come in they could focus on it right away. So last week my wife calls the dealership to get a status on the bike for we hadn't heard anything.  They tell her they expect the bike to be done this week on wed. Cool I am traveling to Denver for the week and mybike will be ready when I get home tonight.  So the wife calls on my behalf on wed to verify the status.  They proceed to tell her that they have not even looked at the bike.  So she emails me and gives me the news and now I am not happy.  So this morning I call and take to the service manager and je gives me a totally different story.  He proceeds to tell me on how they have been working on it and they can't duplicate the problem. So I said out are lying as you have told 3 stories and they all have been lies to this point.  Here is the asskicker.  He says "whatever"  I asked him dod you just tell me what ever?  So needless to say I hung p on him and got on my flight home.  I am currently at 37 thousand feet on a airplane pissed and trying to decide what to do.  I left a VM for the div manager of fox power sports and he surprisingly don't work Fridays.  Still pissed!

Same old crap from another dealer.  Ask for the owner of the place and tell them that if they don't get the bike done Immediately and properly you'll report them to the Better Business Bureau, your state attorney's office and you'll add them to the blacklist on every motorcycle forum you can find.  THen you'll mention it at your next club meeting and they'll see how much business they will lose.  Don't let  them f with you.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Oct 07, 2011, 12:49:41 pm
OK. I don't believe what has happened to me but it sounds like a trend.  Took my bike in on the 17th of September to dealership to have lifters fixed.  I actually made the appointment 2weeks into the future so when the bike come in they could focus on it right away. So last week my wife calls the dealership to get a status on the bike for we hadn't heard anything.  They tell her they expect the bike to be done this week on wed. Cool I am traveling to Denver for the week and mybike will be ready when I get home tonight.  So the wife calls on my behalf on wed to verify the status.  They proceed to tell her that they have not even looked at the bike.  So she emails me and gives me the news and now I am not happy.  So this morning I call and take to the service manager and je gives me a totally different story.  He proceeds to tell me on how they have been working on it and they can't duplicate the problem. So I said out are lying as you have told 3 stories and they all have been lies to this point.  Here is the asskicker.  He says "whatever"  I asked him dod you just tell me what ever?  So needless to say I hung p on him and got on my flight home.  I am currently at 37 thousand feet on a airplane pissed and trying to decide what to do.  I left a VM for the div manager of fox power sports and he surprisingly don't work Fridays.  Still pissed!

Same old crap from another dealer.  Ask for the owner of the place and tell them that if they don't get the bike done Immediately and properly you'll report them to the Better Business Bureau, your state attorney's office and you'll add them to the blacklist on every motorcycle forum you can find.  THen you'll mention it at your next club meeting and they'll see how much business they will lose.  Don't let  them f with you.


Thank God for Tejas....    :applause:   :thumbs:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Oct 07, 2011, 12:51:02 pm
Unreal, they have had the bike for 3 weeks and not touched it? :cus: :censored: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:  You ought to be getting this work done for free.  Or is it warranty work and they make no money off of the job so it goes on the back burner.  Either way it's BS and I would be contacting the BBB.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ares X on Oct 07, 2011, 03:32:22 pm
Unreal, they have had the bike for 3 weeks and not touched it? :cus: :censored: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:  You ought to be getting this work done for free.  Or is it warranty work and they make no money off of the job so it goes on the back burner.  Either way it's BS and I would be contacting the BBB.

More than likely it's warranty work, but don't they still get paid by the dealer?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Oct 07, 2011, 03:57:44 pm
My dealer told me they got 2.5 hours of time from Yamaha... but I didn't see paperwork to back that up.  It took them 8-10+ hours (supposedly)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ikeyes on Oct 07, 2011, 04:08:36 pm
My dealer told me they got 2.5 hours of time from Yamaha... but I didn't see paperwork to back that up.  It took them 14 hours (supposedly)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: blaine563 on Oct 08, 2011, 04:19:32 am
Sorry to hear about your dealer troubles wiz! Lots of times it seems there is a disconnect between the service departments and the sales departments at dealers. They forget that Sales sells the first unit, but Service sells the rest. You should see if you can't get your salesman who sold you the bike to be your advocate with the service people. Sometimes they can help get things going! Good luck!!

 :) :raider: :)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Oct 08, 2011, 05:05:05 am
Unreal, they have had the bike for 3 weeks and not touched it? :cus: :censored: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:  You ought to be getting this work done for free.  Or is it warranty work and they make no money off of the job so it goes on the back burner.  Either way it's BS and I would be contacting the BBB.

More than likely it's warranty work, but don't they still get paid by the dealer?

They do get paid by the dealer, but it is not at the same rate, only us poor buyers get to get ripped off for the labor rates.  :(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: wiz_of_wuz on Oct 08, 2011, 05:51:39 am
They open in 2 hours and 10 minutes and I am going up to pick up the bike.... >:(
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Wassup77 on Oct 12, 2011, 09:03:25 am
I just bought an 09 and you guys are scaring me!  I've got 800 miles on mine, any Ideas on when I can start breathing easier?

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Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Scoob on Oct 12, 2011, 09:43:58 am
Yeah the dealers usually get ripped of when doing warranty work because the the company they are doing the warranty work for usually has a book that says that each job should take so many hours to do but in reality it usually takes way longer than what their book says. My brother is the manager at a implement dealer in town here and he says he has to fight the companies to get compensated for the actual hours they have in the warranty jobs they do and usually end up getting way less than what they should.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Oct 12, 2011, 10:56:26 am
Breath easy Wassup, holding your breath won't do anything but make your face turn blue. :o  Machines are fickle at best.  You can take two machines built in the same plant the same day by the same people and one will never have issues and the other nothing but issues.  It's the nature of the beast.  That is an extreme comparison but I am sure you get the idea.  You bought a great machine, it has been tested and built by a company that has been time tested over the years.  A lot of issues are even caused by the owners by the way they ride or the amount of PM they put or don't put into the bike.  You take care of her and she will reward you with year after year of joy and excitement.   ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: babs on Oct 12, 2011, 11:07:10 am
May be a loaded question.. My search didn't pull up anything. Is there a quick link for a vin range of the lifter affected bikes or suspect bikes?  Appears to be in the 09's typically from all I'm reading, but just wondering.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Veego on Oct 12, 2011, 05:23:43 pm
Not that I've seen and we did ask around. We came to the conclusion that if Yamaha put out a list of defective ranges then many in that group would come up with "problems" and it would cost Yami a big chunk of cash on the recall. Was waiting for mine to rattle and it might still...who knows. Early 2009 seems to be the problem time frame and IIRC mine was built in Feb 09. My break in run after the initial 500 was 1800 freeway miles so I'm not sure if I would have cycled the oil pressure pump up and bleed off like you would during start and stop. I might be thinking I don't have a problem but the lifeters would have been pumped up all the time. A diiferent way of thinkin about it I reckon.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Nov 24, 2011, 12:11:53 am
I Just got my bike back today. I talked to the salesman at the fair about what it was doin . He said bring it in. I brought it in the other day and they replaced them. Told him what it was doin . He said it was a pretty common problem for that year. I hope this batch is good . If not . I guess time will tell. Or the tickin will one.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Nov 24, 2011, 12:18:21 am
Sweet Tooth, you should be good to go now that they replaced them.  From all the threads I have read on the subject it appears that once it's fixed it's good to go.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Nov 24, 2011, 12:32:37 am
Yeah . I have only found one posting that the guy had to go in for a third batch of lifters. :'( I am just glad i didnt have to fight with them to get them to fix my bike. I guess it could also be that everything i buy i always get from them.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ernie on Dec 19, 2011, 04:47:00 pm
I Just got my bike back today. I talked to the salesman at the fair about what it was doin . He said bring it in. I brought it in the other day and they replaced them. Told him what it was doin . He said it was a pretty common problem for that year. I hope this batch is good . If not . I guess time will tell. Or the tickin will one.

Can you PM Me your dealer's contact info?  My Dealer says they never heard of this before.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Mr. T on Dec 20, 2011, 08:08:14 am
I Just got my bike back today. I talked to the salesman at the fair about what it was doin . He said bring it in. I brought it in the other day and they replaced them. Told him what it was doin . He said it was a pretty common problem for that year. I hope this batch is good . If not . I guess time will tell. Or the tickin will one.

Can you PM Me your dealer's contact info?  My Dealer says they never heard of this before.

You could also send a PM to Brent - 'bhodge'.  He's a Raider owner, member of this site and the GM for Tejas Motorsports who is a site sponsor.   
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Bird Man on May 17, 2012, 12:37:26 pm
here is what my lifters sound like, I think I need to get them fixed soon , lol

http://youtu.be/IoYa4Wq3yA4
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 17, 2012, 04:52:06 pm
here is what my lifters sound like, I think I need to get them fixed soon , lol

http://youtu.be/IoYa4Wq3yA4

To me it definitely sounds like the lifter issue.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: silverstreak on May 19, 2012, 06:33:33 pm
here is what my lifters sound like, I think I need to get them fixed soon , lol

http://youtu.be/IoYa4Wq3yA4

To me it definitely sounds like the lifter issue.

oh man that sound worse than when mine went, but it could be the phone.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Bird Man on May 19, 2012, 07:07:21 pm
nope live is just a little clearer and that's about it...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 19, 2012, 08:33:10 pm
Does this lifter issue come on sudden or is it a gradual build up that you can detect?  I realize it's the 08 and the first 09 that had the issue, just curious.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Bird Man on May 19, 2012, 08:53:31 pm
mine started at about 350 miles, only on start up, and at first for 30 seconds , now at 4k it's at most 5 min quits and seldom happens again in the same day of riding . motor off for a beer n lunch etc. today it clacked for about 2 seconds after lunch. going to take it in next week...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 19, 2012, 09:13:27 pm
mine started at about 350 miles, only on start up, and at first for 30 seconds , now at 4k it's at most 5 min quits and seldom happens again in the same day of riding . motor off for a beer n lunch etc. today it clacked for about 2 seconds after lunch. going to take it in next week...

Good deal, thanks for the info Brother...  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: babs on May 22, 2012, 10:52:37 am
Are any of the new (2011, 2012) 1900cc bikes doing this? 
Has Star/Yamaha got the problem effectively killed dead on new scoots?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: me on May 22, 2012, 11:11:25 am
I have the 08 raven, I talked to Brent, he said that he has only seen a handful of 09's with the lifter problems and of those they are the silver one's,, mine is OK, the only reason I asked Brent was, my son inlaw is looking for a 08, may I please ask the color of the problem lifter bike's, thanks everyone
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 22, 2012, 11:16:51 am
Are any of the new (2011, 2012) 1900cc bikes doing this? 
Has Star/Yamaha got the problem effectively killed dead on new scoots?

It is a dead issue babs, corrected with what you might call the second edition 09, no 10, 11 or 12 that I have heard have ever had the lifter issue.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: babs on May 22, 2012, 12:06:07 pm
It is a dead issue babs, corrected with what you might call the second edition 09, no 10, 11 or 12 that I have heard have ever had the lifter issue.

Yeehaw! That'll work!   ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jetman on Jun 09, 2013, 01:54:58 pm
I had an 09 Roadliner...two lifters went bad around 2k miles (bleeding down). Started out with just a slight tapping/ticking on initial start up and then would stop within 1/2 - 3/4 mile.  Eventually it started to get worse & would take longer & longer for the lifters to pump up.  The local Yamaha shop ended up replacing all 4 (it was still under warranty).  I put another 3k on the bike after that with no issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Smokin_Indy on Jun 13, 2013, 11:18:58 pm
Just reading this for the first time, did 08s have this issue or just 09s?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Jun 13, 2013, 11:30:25 pm
Just reading this for the first time, did 08s have this issue or just 09s?

I think there were a handful of late '08s.  But other wise restricted to 09s and early '10s.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ares X on Jun 14, 2013, 10:14:14 am
Just reading this for the first time, did 08s have this issue or just 09s?

I think there were a handful of late '08s.  But other wise restricted to 09s and early '10s.

And not all '09s.  I never had the issue in the whole 80,000 miles, though I was really wishing I did at the end there.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on Jun 18, 2013, 01:15:50 pm
I have the 08 raven, I talked to Brent, he said that he has only seen a handful of 09's with the lifter problems and of those they are the silver one's,, mine is OK, the only reason I asked Brent was, my son inlaw is looking for a 08, may I please ask the color of the problem lifter bike's, thanks everyone

I can concur with this statement, as Sally, my partner has an 09 Silver Raider, and that had Lifter Issues!
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jughead on Jun 18, 2013, 02:05:15 pm
I have the 08 raven, I talked to Brent, he said that he has only seen a handful of 09's with the lifter problems and of those they are the silver one's,, mine is OK, the only reason I asked Brent was, my son inlaw is looking for a 08, may I please ask the color of the problem lifter bike's, thanks everyone

I can concur with this statement, as Sally, my partner has an 09 Silver Raider, and that had Lifter Issues!

I can throw a wrench in that theory. My red 09 had lifters replaced at 700 miles.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ares X on Jun 18, 2013, 02:11:09 pm
Matt St John had lifter issues and his is an '09 Raven.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MaddSampson on Jun 18, 2013, 03:04:33 pm
Does anyone know how to tell what '08s have the issue? By VIN? I have a little over 8000 miles on mine and it seems fine so far.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Ares X on Jun 18, 2013, 03:05:48 pm
Does anyone know how to tell what '08s have the issue? By VIN? I have a little over 8000 miles on mine and it seems fine so far.

I would guess if it's going to happen, it'll be very soon or not at all.  Probably not at all.  I never had it happen with my '09.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: MaddSampson on Jun 18, 2013, 03:10:01 pm
Does anyone know how to tell what '08s have the issue? By VIN? I have a little over 8000 miles on mine and it seems fine so far.

I would guess if it's going to happen, it'll be very soon or not at all.  Probably not at all.  I never had it happen with my '09.

Thanks, I am hoping she stays the way she is.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dreadly on Jun 18, 2013, 03:15:15 pm
I would guess if it's going to happen, it'll be very soon or not at all.  Probably not at all.  I never had it happen with my '09.

I have an 09 and no issues
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: jughead on Jun 19, 2013, 01:29:44 am
Does anyone know how to tell what '08s have the issue? By VIN? I have a little over 8000 miles on mine and it seems fine so far.

If my memory is correct it happened quick. From about the time for the first maintenance to  around 1000 miles. Very few I can remember after about 1500 miles.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: marcelmot on Jun 19, 2013, 07:33:08 am
Does anyone know how to tell what '08s have the issue? By VIN? I have a little over 8000 miles on mine and it seems fine so far.

If my memory is correct it happened quick. From about the time for the first maintenance to  around 1000 miles. Very few I can remember after about 1500 miles.

Mine is from '08 and 4.000 miles. No issues.
Hope will stay like this.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JazzyzGurl on Jun 21, 2013, 02:07:00 pm
Yeah . I have only found one posting that the guy had to go in for a third batch of lifters. :'( I am just glad i didnt have to fight with them to get them to fix my bike. I guess it could also be that everything i buy i always get from them.
That 'guy' was me - aren't I lucky? It was a weird fluke though, so don't let it worry you. Here's the back story https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=1340.msg116579#msg116579 (https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=1340.msg116579#msg116579) if you're interested.

Mine is an 09 and started life as a Raven S.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RickyRaider on Jun 27, 2013, 01:08:58 pm
mine is a 2012 with 4600 kilometers only and it has the same problem ( lifter and a lot of noise )
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: twinston on Jun 27, 2013, 01:53:00 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Jul 06, 2013, 12:53:53 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.
I think the batch with the bad lifters was only the 08s and 09s. I think RickyRaider just got a short end of a stick.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RickyRaider on Jul 07, 2013, 08:01:50 pm
4 lifters and 2 camshafts

My dealer told me ; the only reason about this issue is ' You  DIDN'T USE a YAMAHA FILTERS'  I had  a K & N filter. ( They didn't see anything else)

So Yamaha Canada repair everything     BUT ALWAYS USE A YAMAHA FILTER
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Dec 19, 2013, 06:41:20 pm
I had one of the original lifter problems, (check early post on the blog), The problem did not occur with the 08 models as far as I remember. Only 09's were affected. The factory that made the lifters had a problem with production. Yamaha replaced everybody's lifters. Some had issues with dealers, but Yamaha took care of us.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RedRaider on Dec 19, 2013, 08:01:44 pm
4 lifters and 2 camshafts

My dealer told me ; the only reason about this issue is ' You  DIDN'T USE a YAMAHA FILTERS'  I had  a K & N filter. ( They didn't see anything else)

So Yamaha Canada repair everything     BUT ALWAYS USE A YAMAHA FILTER

Your dealer is full of BS. K&N meets or exceeds factory specs, so there is no issue. If it was, they wouldn't have fixed it.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Dec 20, 2013, 08:01:25 am
I have an 09 and it had 1151 miles on it when I purchased it in 2010.  I read about the lifter problem and became concerned due to the noisy engine and took it back to the dealer who said the noise was normal for the Raider (and in fact had heard some that sounded a lot louder).  Well, long story short...It is still noisy and I still worry but I have almost 40,000 miles on it without any mechanical problems.  I guess if it was going to be a problem it would have surfaced by now.  Do you think I could/should stop my worry?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Dudeman on Dec 20, 2013, 08:07:51 am
I'm not saying yours isn't a problem, but the 1900 does seem to me to be a rather noisy engine compared to my Virago (which is only a 750).
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Dec 20, 2013, 08:10:12 am
It is doubtful the lifters would have lasted 40,000 miles.  Because of a trip to Sturgis I put mine off,(ok'd by dealership) added another 4,000 before getting repairs, but it did get louder and lasted longer than a few seconds after start up. You might want to have a mechanic experienced with this problem take a look just to be on the safe side. It would still be Yamaha's responsibility to fix it if it were your original lifters.

Also if you look back in the early portions of this blog, I believe there was more info on which bikes in 09 had the problem. I.E. early 09s vs. late 09s.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dreadly on Dec 20, 2013, 09:07:00 am
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Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Dec 20, 2013, 09:10:40 am
I have an 09 and it had 1151 miles on it when I purchased it in 2010.  I read about the lifter problem and became concerned due to the noisy engine and took it back to the dealer who said the noise was normal for the Raider (and in fact had heard some that sounded a lot louder).  Well, long story short...It is still noisy and I still worry but I have almost 40,000 miles on it without any mechanical problems.  I guess if it was going to be a problem it would have surfaced by now.  Do you think I could/should stop my worry?

You can/should stop your worries, if you had the lifter issue you would have known it about 35,000 miles ago...  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Silver Bullet on Dec 21, 2013, 10:00:46 am
I bought my 09 used with 7k miles and to my knowlege it never had a lifter problem.  I hope it never does!  It was bought off the showroom in 2012 so it has several years extended warranty left. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Dec 23, 2013, 07:05:53 am
I bought my 09 used with 7k miles and to my knowlege it never had a lifter problem.  I hope it never does!  It was bought off the showroom in 2012 so it has several years extended warranty left.

The lifter issue shows up around 4500 to 5000 miles, at 7000 you are pretty much assured that your bike didn't have the issue and it probably never will.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Dec 23, 2013, 07:34:09 am
Yeah, but we do have to admit the engine is pretty loud with all the mechanical noise.  Can understand how you worry about it becoming louder or is that a new noise I haven't heard before when you ride one that was involved (09's).
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Dec 23, 2013, 07:49:39 am
To be clear, the lifter issue usually starts at about 800-1000 on the bike. When the bike has sat for a while,(overnite or a couple of days) at start up there will be an enormously loud clacking, no way you would think this is normal. after 15 - 30 seconds, or when the lifters fill with oil the clacking stops. The problem won't reoccur until the bike has been sitting for a while again. Anything other than that would be a different problem. Again I am pretty sure the only bikes affected were the early 09s. I bought mine in April 09.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RangerRick on Dec 23, 2013, 07:56:29 am
My 09 used to clack once or twice when new on cold start-up some times. But now at 50,000 miles it can sit for 2 weeks and never has done it. It quit doing that somewhere around 35,000 miles ago or more. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Dec 23, 2013, 08:25:47 am
I know I worry too much.  Thanks from those that have posted having lots of miles and no problems.  You would think with my hearing problem, I wouldn't hear the noise (can't hear what my wife says), but it seems to stand out.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Dec 24, 2013, 04:42:40 pm
mine is an 09, just bought yesterday with 3200 miles.  Im the 2nd owner.  first owner knew of the knocking and was told by his dealership it wasnt a guarantee that new lifters would fix the problem.  so he didnt do it.  he actually got in contact with me bc he saw the bike i posted on a facebook raider page, saw a pic of me an the bike from where i bought on their facebook page and realized i had bought his bike.  real nice guy.  super helpful(not to mention took real good care of the bike).

Ive already gotten ahold of my yamaha dealer and told them about the issue.  since its christmas eve, he said he probably wont hear back until maybe monday or tuesday.

thanks to this thread, I have a contact number for yamaha so I am trying to get all info I can so Im as prepared as i need to be.  I just called them, and theyre closed already for christmas.  so I will be calling again thursday.

so according to yamaha, if I have the knocking(which oh boy do I at a cold start up), they are to replace all 4 lifters and inspect the cam correct?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: dreadly on Dec 24, 2013, 05:25:53 pm
If memory serves me correctly most had all four lifters replaced.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Dec 24, 2013, 06:27:07 pm
I think dreadly is correct and all 4 need to be replaced.  I seem to recall someone only had 2 replaced and then had to go back and get the other two done.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 102~2~113 on Dec 24, 2013, 08:14:20 pm
Sorry, don't know of GA mechanics but I just had my lifters replaced.  two were bad, 4 replaced.  I started by contacting Star who got the ball rolling. They document everything.

 http://www.yamaha-motor.com/corporate/contactus.aspx

Have your vin # ready and it's a pretty easy conversation with the Star folks.  Tell them the dealer you'd like to use or they can tell you the service levels of your local dealers. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Dec 25, 2013, 12:41:55 am
When mine went bad in 09, my mechanic told Yamaha that the camshafts should be replaced too, and they did it. Great to have a mechanic that's on top of things.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Dec 26, 2013, 09:57:18 am
got off the phone with Star this morning.  If it is the lifters(which it is), they want me to take it to my llocal dealer to be verified and they will take care of it.  After about 10 minutes on the phone with the guy(name was Adam), he confirmed all 4 lifters will be replaced.  I brought up my concern over the camshaft/s, and he said they should be inspected.  so im just trying to track down a dealership that can get me in within a decent time.  my normal dealer is a week and a half behind.  and thats before they will even have a chance to crack it open.  BUT, we(my family) have never had any issues with this dealer.  they're good, hence why they're busy. lol.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Dec 26, 2013, 10:08:50 am
Good deal, Yamaha has been very good about the lifter issue.  Wait until your shop can get to it unless you absolutely have to have it but since it is your second Raider that shouldn't be an issue...  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: tejas240 on Dec 29, 2013, 04:06:35 pm
I think I have read of at least two 2010 with lifter issue, my 2010 clacks a little sometimes on cold startup since around 1600 miles. I now have 12,000 and I guess it's just normal, nothing like you hear on those youtube video's, as long as it goes away after a few seconds i'm not concerned.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Fiddles on Dec 29, 2013, 05:22:36 pm
I think I have read of at least two 2010 with lifter issue, my 2010 clacks a little sometimes on cold startup since around 1600 miles. I now have 12,000 and I guess it's just normal, nothing like you hear on those youtube video's, as long as it goes away after a few seconds i'm not concerned.

Mine is a 2009 and makes the clack clack clack noise every now and then when starting, only a couple seconds and done but has done this since New
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Luvs2Play on Dec 29, 2013, 06:17:10 pm
Wife's 09 does the clacking when cold. Guess it's time to contact Yamaha. Has ever since she got it, I thought it was normal.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Fiddles on Dec 29, 2013, 06:45:48 pm
I don't think it's a lifter issue but the compressor
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 102~2~113 on Dec 29, 2013, 09:22:17 pm
Wife's 09 does the clacking when cold. Guess it's time to contact Yamaha. Has ever since she got it, I thought it was normal.
If you don't mind being on the hook for payment if they crack it open and find or claim you need a valve adjustment; my first pass was deemed a valve adjustment.  Second pass, all 4 lifters at n/c.  Document your cold start clacking and contact Star.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Luvs2Play on Dec 29, 2013, 09:36:57 pm
Wife's 09 does the clacking when cold. Guess it's time to contact Yamaha. Has ever since she got it, I thought it was normal.
If you don't mind being on the hook for payment if they crack it open and find or claim you need a valve adjustment; my first pass was deemed a valve adjustment.  Second pass, all 4 lifters at n/c.  Document your cold start clacking and contact Star.
I'm going to go out in the morning and video it. It only makes the noise for a few seconds then it's quiet.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Dec 30, 2013, 07:17:53 am
I guess I can feel better about the noise in my engine.  It is loud when cold (first started) but doesn't really quiet down when it warms up.  So, guess it's not lifters, just a noisy engine.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Dec 31, 2013, 02:29:38 pm
i just contacted my dealer that i took my bike to.  they havent had a chance to open it up yet but they say it def sounds like the lifter.  they say they should be able to get to it by the end of the week. 

theyve already been in contact with yamaha and gotten the ball rolling too.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Dec 31, 2013, 02:46:45 pm
Good to here Sweet, it will be just a while longer and you will have to decide which Raider to ride...  8)  Wish I had that problem...  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Dec 31, 2013, 03:48:34 pm
decide which raider to ride?  I only have one! and its at the shop! lol

i sold my 08......i think 2....2 1/2 years ago
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Jan 01, 2014, 06:25:52 am
Good to here Sweet, it will be just a while longer and you will have to decide which Raider to ride...  8)  Wish I had that problem...  ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D You could have still have that problem :poke: :poke: . Also you could have had that problem ;D ;D . But i think your happy without that problem though ;)
 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jan 01, 2014, 09:19:30 am
decide which raider to ride?  I only have one! and its at the shop! lol

i sold my 08......i think 2....2 1/2 years ago

Sorry, from your other thread "Just bought another Raider" thread made me think you had two...  :shrug:
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Jan 01, 2014, 11:10:22 am
Lol. OK I'm with ya now
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jan 01, 2014, 11:45:27 am
Lol. OK I'm with ya now

I still wish I had another, would love to add the 2014 SCL.  Absolutely love that matte finish they did.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Jan 03, 2014, 01:05:53 pm
just got off the phone with my dealership.  they have gotten the go ahead from Yamaha, confirmed it is the lifters, and they are waiting on the  new lifters to come in.  i told them to go ahead and inspect the camshafts, which should happen today.  hope to have it back next week.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jan 03, 2014, 01:18:26 pm
Good to hear, Yamaha has never failed on this issue.  You will be good to go when you get her back...  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Jan 03, 2014, 01:34:07 pm
im anxious to get it back.  im itching to tear it apart and paint it.  Im a painter by trade and have a design in my head.  im wanting to paint now.......my wife wants to paint in the spring once the newness wears off some. lol
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: cornfed biker on Jan 03, 2014, 02:16:57 pm
I have had mine since April of 09, I'm waiting for the newness to wear off too. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Jan 03, 2014, 02:35:10 pm
you dont understand. lol.  she knows how I am. 

my first raider was painted within the first week of me owning it.

my first bike(vulcan900) was painted every 5-6 months bc i would get bored of the paint. lol
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jan 03, 2014, 03:01:24 pm
you dont understand. lol.  she knows how I am. 

my first raider was painted within the first week of me owning it.

my first bike(vulcan900) was painted every 5-6 months bc i would get bored of the paint. lol

You get bored you can come to my house, I will let you paint to your hearts content...  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SilverStar on Jan 03, 2014, 10:25:28 pm
im anxious to get it back.  im itching to tear it apart and paint it.  Im a painter by trade and have a design in my head.  im wanting to paint now.......my wife wants to paint in the spring once the newness wears off some. lol

I know what you mean.  Once a decent idea gets in there it won't go away until you see it on metal.  I painted my '84 TransAm and six months later found an 8 year old drawing I had done for a race car that was identical except for colors.  I had totally forgotten about the drawing and hadn't seen it for about 7 years and 10 months. The race car owner chose a different graphic and happened to get best appearing for the season at one of our tracks (mostly because we kept it clean).
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Jan 08, 2014, 05:08:30 pm
Got the call today that the bike was ready.  Just got back to the house with it and man it runs so much smoother.  I was surprised at just how much smoother the bike ran down the interstate (motor wise) than it did before. 

Now to swap to Amsoil, and I can start moddin'!  So happy they did a good job.

I'm still going to wait a couple hours for it to cool down and start oit up again to be sure no more knockin. Lol
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Jan 08, 2014, 05:10:12 pm
Great that you are back on the road again.  Do understand that every time you hear a "new sound" from your engine, you will become very paranoid.  Human nature.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: sweet tea man on Jan 08, 2014, 07:23:13 pm
I just went out and started it for the first time in 3 hours....man it starts and idles so smooth.  No more hamsters hitting the motor with a hammer
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SilverStar on Jan 08, 2014, 07:31:09 pm
Down with Motor Hamsters!   ;D

Congrats!  Hope it stays fixed.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Motorhead on Mar 03, 2014, 12:29:39 pm
Its been a while since I've been here but had a question about my lifters.
 So I have 35k on the '08 Raider and was talking to the local Yammy tech about my bike and one of the things he asked me was if I got or have checked my valve lash and I said no. He said it needs to be checked every 16k so I said ok that's something I can handle.

 So I dig into my manual set it to TDC get my .04mm feeler gauge out and no go. Loosen the adjuster up still nothing. I loosen the adjuster till its not touching the valve any more an no gap. The bike hasn't been run in a week so the lifters should have bled down by now. Not sure on cylinder #2 as I haven't checked them yet but this has me a little concerned. I even tried to press down on the rocker and the lifter is rock solid.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen or heard of this and what the solution was to fix it.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: JB on Mar 03, 2014, 12:34:52 pm
Its been a while since I've been here but had a question about my lifters.
 So I have 35k on the '08 Raider and was talking to the local Yammy tech about my bike and one of the things he asked me was if I got or have checked my valve lash and I said no. He said it needs to be checked every 16k so I said ok that's something I can handle.

 So I dig into my manual set it to TDC get my .04mm feeler gauge out and no go. Loosen the adjuster up still nothing. I loosen the adjuster till its not touching the valve any more an no gap. The bike hasn't been run in a week so the lifters should have bled down by now. Not sure on cylinder #2 as I haven't checked them yet but this has me a little concerned. I even tried to press down on the rocker and the lifter is rock solid.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen or heard of this and what the solution was to fix it.

You are probably TDC on the wrong stroke.
Turn the crank one full turn and check it again.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Motorhead on Mar 03, 2014, 12:47:11 pm
Its been a while since I've been here but had a question about my lifters.
 So I have 35k on the '08 Raider and was talking to the local Yammy tech about my bike and one of the things he asked me was if I got or have checked my valve lash and I said no. He said it needs to be checked every 16k so I said ok that's something I can handle.

 So I dig into my manual set it to TDC get my .04mm feeler gauge out and no go. Loosen the adjuster up still nothing. I loosen the adjuster till its not touching the valve any more an no gap. The bike hasn't been run in a week so the lifters should have bled down by now. Not sure on cylinder #2 as I haven't checked them yet but this has me a little concerned. I even tried to press down on the rocker and the lifter is rock solid.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen or heard of this and what the solution was to fix it.

You are probably TDC on the wrong stroke.
Turn the crank one full turn and check it again.

That's what I thought too. But I checked 2 things. First the dots on the cam gears have to match on TDC (according to the service manual) which they did and second I rotated the cam through the strokes and the rockers never went lower than the dots matching TDC.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Seabee Bob on Mar 01, 2015, 08:49:14 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.


Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Seabee Bob on Mar 01, 2015, 08:53:30 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.


I am now having second thoughts about buying a 2012 leftover on Tues the 3rd of March. 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ROADKILL on Mar 01, 2015, 09:21:21 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.


I am now having second thoughts about buying a 2012 leftover on Tues the 3rd of March.
Ok first I've heard of a 2012 having lifter issues...the 09's yes but that was taken care of....you shouldn't have any issues at all with your purchase.....also Yamaha was aware of the lifter issue and made the repairs at no cost to the owners.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Seabee Bob on Mar 01, 2015, 09:31:23 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.


I am now having second thoughts about buying a 2012 leftover on Tues the 3rd of March.
Ok first I've heard of a 2012 having lifter issues...the 09's yes but that was taken care of....you shouldn't have any issues at all with your purchase.....also Yamaha was aware of the lifter issue and made the repairs at no cost to the owners.

Thanks ROADKILL
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Mar 02, 2015, 12:04:20 am
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.


I am now having second thoughts about buying a 2012 leftover on Tues the 3rd of March.
Ok first I've heard of a 2012 having lifter issues...the 09's yes but that was taken care of....you shouldn't have any issues at all with your purchase.....also Yamaha was aware of the lifter issue and made the repairs at no cost to the owners.

Thanks ROADKILL

SeaBee Bob, Twinston misquoted by saying the last post was a 2012, it was Motorheads bike and he owns a 2008, not a 2012.  There has not been any bikes beyond 2009 with a lifter issue.  As Roadkill stated Yamaha corrected the problem and fixed anyones bike that had the issue free of charge.  You can buy and not worry, it's a non-issue.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: xmanrigger on Mar 02, 2015, 12:58:28 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.


I am now having second thoughts about buying a 2012 leftover on Tues the 3rd of March.

LOL! Dont worry about the 2012. I have almost 30K miles on my 2012 and not one issue. I am not aware of any issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Seabee Bob on Mar 02, 2015, 10:02:17 pm
Thanks CHROMINATOR!  O8O
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Seabee Bob on Mar 02, 2015, 10:04:16 pm
Oh gosh...wow...I've been watching this thread on this forum, and back in April I bought a brand new 2012 Raider S (leftover). Now I see the last post has this issue, and it's a 2012. I have just passed 2000 miles, and don't have the noise. Gosh, I hope this never happens. I'd lose all faith in Yamaha if it did. Maybe I should have kept that extended warranty when I bought it...

This is so not-cool that something like this happens, and then it's a struggle to get it fixed...at all.

Thanks xmanrigger!



I am now having second thoughts about buying a 2012 leftover on Tues the 3rd of March.

LOL! Dont worry about the 2012. I have almost 30K miles on my 2012 and not one issue. I am not aware of any issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: tejas240 on Mar 25, 2015, 11:46:58 pm
I have heard of the problem with two 2010's, but you should be good with a 2012 ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Zxdave on Mar 26, 2015, 12:00:00 am
my 2010 makes a little lifter noise every 1/15 starts , once the lifters pump up its gone, dosnt worry me too much though ... Anyone know if Yamaha will do anything about a 2010 with lifter issues ?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Mar 26, 2015, 04:09:28 am
my 2010 makes a little lifter noise every 1/15 starts , once the lifters pump up its gone, dosnt worry me too much though ... Anyone know if Yamaha will do anything about a 2010 with lifter issues ?

The issue was supposedly fixed before the 2010 came out but who really knows.  If it's only making a noise once out of every 15 starts then I would have to say it's not the same issue and perhaps only needs an adjustment.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ROADKILL on Mar 26, 2015, 08:07:22 am
my 2010 makes a little lifter noise every 1/15 starts , once the lifters pump up its gone, dosnt worry me too much though ... Anyone know if Yamaha will do anything about a 2010 with lifter issues ?
The Raider engine is inherently noisy - since I don't have a garage I kept mine in an 8 x 10 building - I could start it up in there with the door closed and hear all kinds of rattling and tapping......soon as I rolled it outside you couldn't hear it anymore.
 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Zxdave on Mar 26, 2015, 08:27:45 pm
my 2010 makes a little lifter noise every 1/15 starts , once the lifters pump up its gone, dosnt worry me too much though ... Anyone know if Yamaha will do anything about a 2010 with lifter issues ?

The issue was supposedly fixed before the 2010 came out but who really knows.  If it's only making a noise once out of every 15 starts then I would have to say it's not the same issue and perhaps only needs an adjustment.
was thinking same thing bill.... I am not worried about it , will check it this fall I guess
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: tejas240 on Mar 27, 2015, 06:02:44 pm
Yeah zxdave, my 2010 does it once in awhile too, just let it ride now. ;) I know of some 2010's that were made in early 2009 that had their lifters replaced, one was discussed on here. Had me worried when I first got mine.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Fiddles on Mar 27, 2015, 06:56:02 pm
my 2010 makes a little lifter noise every 1/15 starts , once the lifters pump up its gone, dosnt worry me too much though ... Anyone know if Yamaha will do anything about a 2010 with lifter issues ?
Zxdave when it makes this noise is it a klack klack klack  4 or 5 times and it stops just on start up? Mine has done this since day one took it to the shop and they could not get it to do it but like yours it only does it every now and then
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Zxdave on Mar 27, 2015, 10:40:44 pm
Yeah bro mine has too since I got it ... It had 2000 miles on it when I brought it and has around 8k now, and I am not really worried about it .. Just kinda sucks when you start it and people think something's wrong with it ... Oh well , gonna run her hard until the end ! Lol  ;D
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Tail dragger on Mar 28, 2015, 09:22:23 am
Mine has been noisy from the first time I started it and still is with 47,000 miles.  I've never had anyone make a comment about it so just assume it is me being nit picky about the sound.  I've asked several other bikers about it being noisy (non Yamaha owners and mechanics) and they all say it sounds fine and it's not that noisy.  Beats me.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Luvs2Play on Mar 28, 2015, 09:40:51 am
The wife's 2009 makes noise when it's first started cold, runs on one cylinder sometimes I think. I am guessing it's the lifters, but as long as it straightens out right away, I guess it's okay. My dealer won't go out of their way to get Yamaha to fix it anyway. Done the same thing for 14,000 miles.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: SilverStar on Mar 28, 2015, 10:04:58 am
XV1900 is designed to be noisy.  I guess Mama Yamaha wanted any HD converts to feel at home.  Who wants quiet and refined out of a big Vtwin cruiser, anyway?  I switched to 20w-50 Amzoil and it quieted down a lot.  The only down side is the minimum temp is 40 degrees so I never start it when it's really cold.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: motorious on Mar 28, 2015, 10:25:09 am
Lifters are made in the USA... ;)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on Apr 04, 2015, 06:20:57 pm
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: greenjoe on Dec 15, 2015, 11:20:32 pm
found a solution to the lifter problem if you contact Hy-Lift Johnson  they make high peroformance lifgers for the raider roadliner stratoliner and warrior
 http://hylift-johnson.com/
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Dec 15, 2015, 11:59:03 pm
found a solution to the lifter problem if you contact Hy-Lift Johnson  they make high peroformance lifgers for the raider roadliner stratoliner and warrior
 http://hylift-johnson.com/

Welcome from Yuma, AZ freenjoe.  They make high performance lifters for the Raider, Roadliner, Stratoliner and Warrior but they don't advertise it?  That seems a little strange to me, all I saw on that site was auto products.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: greenjoe on Dec 16, 2015, 12:49:43 am
800-441-1400 x 611 call and ask to talk to dave ewert he is one of there sales techs that got me set up with the right ones. they don't advertise them because they only have have had a few people look into them. if you contact trendperform.com they can also make you a set of high performance pushrods. its just taking the time to contact them
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Dec 16, 2015, 12:55:18 am
That's very cool, thanks for the info...  ;)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: aaron5140 on Dec 31, 2015, 11:04:32 am
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...

I had the lifter issue in my 2008, had 3 bad lifters, replaced with Sealed Power HT2011 from O'Reilly Auto Parts. These cost less than $6 each and have been great! I did the install myself over two years ago....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jan 01, 2016, 02:34:43 am
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...

I had the lifter issue in my 2008, had 3 bad lifters, replaced with Sealed Power HT2011 from O'Reilly Auto Parts. These cost less than $6 each and have been great! I did the install myself over two years ago....

You could have saved yourself $18.00 and the time it took and had Yamaha do it on their time and dime...  ;)
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: aaron5140 on Jan 11, 2016, 10:21:14 am
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...

I had the lifter issue in my 2008, had 3 bad lifters, replaced with Sealed Power HT2011 from O'Reilly Auto Parts. These cost less than $6 each and have been great! I did the install myself over two years ago....

You could have saved yourself $18.00 and the time it took and had Yamaha do it on their time and dime...  ;)
I looked into that and called Yamaha but they wouldn't budge - "too far out of warranty, blah, blah". Besides, I have trust issues with most dealerships - almost every time I've paid someone to do some work for me, it doesn't get done the right way....
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ROADKILL on Jan 11, 2016, 10:54:02 am
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...

I had the lifter issue in my 2008, had 3 bad lifters, replaced with Sealed Power HT2011 from O'Reilly Auto Parts. These cost less than $6 each and have been great! I did the install myself over two years ago....

You could have saved yourself $18.00 and the time it took and had Yamaha do it on their time and dime...  ;)
I looked into that and called Yamaha but they wouldn't budge - "too far out of warranty, blah, blah". Besides, I have trust issues with most dealerships - almost every time I've paid someone to do some work for me, it doesn't get done the right way....
Who ever you talked to lied the lifters are a recall not a warranty issue - they fixed multiple lifter issue on their dime.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jan 12, 2016, 01:36:32 am
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...

I had the lifter issue in my 2008, had 3 bad lifters, replaced with Sealed Power HT2011 from O'Reilly Auto Parts. These cost less than $6 each and have been great! I did the install myself over two years ago....

You could have saved yourself $18.00 and the time it took and had Yamaha do it on their time and dime...  ;)
I looked into that and called Yamaha but they wouldn't budge - "too far out of warranty, blah, blah". Besides, I have trust issues with most dealerships - almost every time I've paid someone to do some work for me, it doesn't get done the right way....
Who ever you talked to lied the lifters are a recall not a warranty issue - they fixed multiple lifter issue on their dime.

Yep, I would be reporting that dealership to Yamaha Corporate.  There are no time limits on recall issues.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: 102~2~113 on Jan 17, 2016, 01:10:58 pm
 I started by contacting Star who got the ball rolling. They document everything.

 http://www.yamaha-motor.com/corporate/contactus.aspx

Have your vin # ready and it's a pretty easy conversation with the Star folks.  Tell them the dealer you'd like to use or they can tell you the service levels of your local dealers. A Yamaha Regional Rep will get involved with the inspection. 

 https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=46258.msg812930#msg812930

I looked and didn't find a lifter recall or Yamaha Modification Campaign for Raider lifters anywhere. 

With the lifter issue being well known on some 09s, Star Corp covers confirmed and documented r&r under the Emissions Warranty which is 5 years and 18K miles.  Least that's what they told me.

Contact Star and tell them which dealer you want to have your bike inspected at.  The 3 of you need to be in unison and it's best to start with Star.

Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Geo-Raider on May 27, 2017, 01:41:30 am
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Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: .me on Nov 10, 2017, 06:18:40 pm
I'm sure there is another manufacturer of the lifter that fits the Raider, perhaps as a preferred option. I'm sure someone on this forum will know the details...

I had the lifter issue in my 2008, had 3 bad lifters, replaced with Sealed Power HT2011 from O'Reilly Auto Parts. These cost less than $6 each and have been great! I did the install myself over two years ago....

How many miles on your Raider before the lifters went bad?
 
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Lulu on Sep 17, 2019, 04:53:08 pm
Have to bring this back up. Back from my 6500mi trip and got that klicking noise during the past 1000miles. It got louder and louder and during the oil change today I found some few metal bits in the drain pan. Bike has 24K mi now. Never had an issue before.
Would like to know if anyone has an manual how to change the lifters to share and what needs to be done. Do the ones from O Reilly still work.
My stealer is asking for 550$ to do the shop.
Any help much appreciated
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ROADKILL on Sep 17, 2019, 06:07:29 pm
Have to bring this back up. Back from my 6500mi trip and got that klicking noise during the past 1000miles. It got louder and louder and during the oil change today I found some few metal bits in the drain pan. Bike has 24K mi now. Never had an issue before.
Would like to know if anyone has an manual how to change the lifters to share and what needs to be done. Do the ones from O Reilly still work.
My stealer is asking for 550$ to do the shop.
Any help much appreciated
Tell your stealer to contact Yamaha because it's a factory covered repair - never heard of anyone getting their lifters from O Reilly.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: A.T. on Sep 17, 2019, 06:28:10 pm
Have to bring this back up. Back from my 6500mi trip and got that klicking noise during the past 1000miles. It got louder and louder and during the oil change today I found some few metal bits in the drain pan. Bike has 24K mi now. Never had an issue before.
Would like to know if anyone has an manual how to change the lifters to share and what needs to be done. Do the ones from O Reilly still work.
My stealer is asking for 550$ to do the shop.
Any help much appreciated
Tell your stealer to contact Yamaha because it's a factory covered repair - never heard of anyone getting their lifters from O Reilly.

I think he's talking about the HT2011 lifters as replacements for the Yami lifters.  This is discussed on the Strat forum 

https://www.stratolinerdeluxe.com/technical-discussion/my-yamaha-lifters-are-pumped-solid/ (https://www.stratolinerdeluxe.com/technical-discussion/my-yamaha-lifters-are-pumped-solid/)

Also discussed on this forum

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=13666.msg1029234#msg1029234 (https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=13666.msg1029234#msg1029234)

Gonna give it a  try next time out...$8 per lifter
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: ROADKILL on Sep 17, 2019, 06:59:35 pm
Have to bring this back up. Back from my 6500mi trip and got that klicking noise during the past 1000miles. It got louder and louder and during the oil change today I found some few metal bits in the drain pan. Bike has 24K mi now. Never had an issue before.
Would like to know if anyone has an manual how to change the lifters to share and what needs to be done. Do the ones from O Reilly still work.
My stealer is asking for 550$ to do the shop.
Any help much appreciated
Tell your stealer to contact Yamaha because it's a factory covered repair - never heard of anyone getting their lifters from O Reilly.

I think he's talking about the HT2011 lifters as replacements for the Yami lifters.  This is discussed on the Strat forum 

https://www.stratolinerdeluxe.com/technical-discussion/my-yamaha-lifters-are-pumped-solid/ (https://www.stratolinerdeluxe.com/technical-discussion/my-yamaha-lifters-are-pumped-solid/)

Also discussed on this forum

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=13666.msg1029234#msg1029234 (https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=13666.msg1029234#msg1029234)

Gonna give it a  try next time out...$8 per lifter
If he has an 09 that has the bad lifters it should still be covered by Yamaha
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Lulu on Sep 17, 2019, 07:54:31 pm
My bike is a 2014, thought she would be safe but obviously something went bad. Post no. 567 mentioned lifters from O Reilly.
Is there anyone with a 2014bike who had these issues ?
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Lulu on Oct 02, 2019, 07:20:46 pm
Got my bike back. All lifters replaced, new gaskets washers total up to 330$ in parts. Add 4hrs of labor and it's a little North of 900 all in. I can hear a little ticking for a few seconds after starting the engine which should go away after first 50-100 miles. Lifters not properly filled with oil, some air left into them.
Bike runs very different, much smoother and provides the power more linear.
Will go riding over the weekend and report back.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RickC on Dec 09, 2019, 01:46:29 pm
I just recently purchased an 09 with 34k miles on it.  New to the bike.  Wondering what the lifters would sound like when they start going out.  At cold start, she purrs quiet.  After I have been riding a while she does develop a tick that hits about the same rate the exhaust hits.  Not really that loud, but noticeable.  Just wondering if this is a sign of the lifter issue.  I know most Yamahas tick.  This is the 5th different Yamaha I've owned.  Loudest motor was a Road Star(always sounded like it was about to rattle apart), and quietest was a FZ07, but they all ticked.  At 34k miles I thought it could just need a valve/rocker adjustment, but figured I better ask.


Rick
Garland, TX
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: A.T. on Dec 09, 2019, 02:11:55 pm
Search Youtube for Raider lifter noise...it's more than a tick
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: Fiddles on Dec 09, 2019, 02:19:27 pm
I just recently purchased an 09 with 34k miles on it.  New to the bike.  Wondering what the lifters would sound like when they start going out.  At cold start, she purrs quiet.  After I have been riding a while she does develop a tick that hits about the same rate the exhaust hits.  Not really that loud, but noticeable.  Just wondering if this is a sign of the lifter issue.  I know most Yamahas tick.  This is the 5th different Yamaha I've owned.  Loudest motor was a Road Star(always sounded like it was about to rattle apart), and quietest was a FZ07, but they all ticked.  At 34k miles I thought it could just need a valve/rocker adjustment, but figured I better ask.


Rick
Garland, TX
the Raider has a  noisy motor but you well know if its a lifter tick its pretty loud
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RickC on Dec 09, 2019, 04:15:30 pm
That's the same tick, but way quieter, and only does it once it gets good and hot.  Cold it's quiet.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: the urban legend on Dec 09, 2019, 06:31:08 pm
When a lifter starts to go bad,it will cause a loud knock (more like a TOCK that a tick) at engine startup that disappears after a few seconds. And it gets worse over time.
If one of your lifters ever goes bad,you'll know. Trust me. It's pretty loud.
Title: Re: Lifters....yet again
Post by: RickC on Mar 30, 2020, 05:35:16 pm
So I'm up to 38.5k miles now.  At startup, everything still purrs.  After it gets good and hot though, there is definitely a tock noise that you notice at idle coming from the right side of the engine.  More noticeable now than at 34k miles.  Idle definitely gets a little rougher when it kicks in also.  Really starting to wonder about the lifters.  Mind you I'm sure this bike has probably never had a valve adjustment.  I think the guy who had it before me only ever changed the oil.  Plugs looked like they had been in there since mile 1 when I got it at 34k miles. 

Bike is Ivan ECU tuned with K&N(open lid), and Cobra Swept.