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Title: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 07, 2021, 09:58:33 am
Iíve heard of these by PCS and Extension Depot but not Cycle House. Never mind the kit doesnít include a shift rod. Iím having one made anyway and this kit saves me $50 vs. buying from PCS. Any real difference? I drew arrows to show what I believe to be different. Kit moves controls not just forward but up a little bit?
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: the urban legend on Jan 07, 2021, 06:07:07 pm
Actually it looks like the kit moves the controls down a bit. The top hole in your picture is the rearmost hole on the bike. The big hole is the engine mount bolt, and that hole is slightly offset upwards on the frame relative to the 2 control bracket holes. If I'm seeing this right, I'd be worried about the rear part of the extension contacting the engine before the bolt hole lines up with the frame. You might have to trim off some material.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: FireNative on Jan 08, 2021, 10:04:15 am
I have the Kuryakyn Swing Wing foot pegs and they have 360 degrees of mount direction options. I love them because you can turn them at any angle and they can extend the length for you to reach them. I am 5'7" and I can put my boots on the top and stretch out fully. I love them as you can fold them in or out for more area and foot angle options. Would 100% recommend them. If you are interested in buying them just make sure you call Kuryakyn to get the model number for the Raider adapter to connect the pegs to your bike.

If mounted and positioned correctly they would definitely add a few inches to extend the pegs.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 10, 2021, 11:06:51 am
Actually it looks like the kit moves the controls down a bit. The top hole in your picture is the rearmost hole on the bike. The big hole is the engine mount bolt, and that hole is slightly offset upwards on the frame relative to the 2 control bracket holes. If I'm seeing this right, I'd be worried about the rear part of the extension contacting the engine before the bolt hole lines up with the frame. You might have to trim off some material.

Finally got round to looking at this again. So if I understand you correctly, the offset decides which is left and which is right? Knowing which is which is key to determining if the kit moves the controls up or down. Whats not making sense is I don't see the offset in Extension Depot's kit.

Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 10, 2021, 11:14:50 am
I have the Kuryakyn Swing Wing foot pegs and they have 360 degrees of mount direction options. I love them because you can turn them at any angle and they can extend the length for you to reach them. I am 5'7" and I can put my boots on the top and stretch out fully. I love them as you can fold them in or out for more area and foot angle options. Would 100% recommend them. If you are interested in buying them just make sure you call Kuryakyn to get the model number for the Raider adapter to connect the pegs to your bike.

At this point I'm committed to 3" extensions because I had a 14.5" shift rod made.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: the urban legend on Jan 10, 2021, 01:18:53 pm
Actually it looks like the kit moves the controls down a bit. The top hole in your picture is the rearmost hole on the bike. The big hole is the engine mount bolt, and that hole is slightly offset upwards on the frame relative to the 2 control bracket holes. If I'm seeing this right, I'd be worried about the rear part of the extension contacting the engine before the bolt hole lines up with the frame. You might have to trim off some material.

Finally got round to looking at this again. So if I understand you correctly, the offset decides which is left and which is right? Knowing which is which is key to determining if the kit moves the controls up or down. Whats not making sense is I don't see the offset in Extension Depot's kit.

 I fabricated my own extensions back in 2012, so I have no specific experience with either kit. What I do know is that the engine mount bolt's centerline is higher than the 2 control mount bolt centerlines.  When I look at your cyclehouse picture, the drawn arrow clearly shows how off center the big hole is relative to the ones on either side of it. To me, those extensions look like they only fit one way and the foremost bolt would be lower than the rest. But I can't see where the welded nut at the front (lowest) hole is. If it's under the bracket, which would explain why I can't see it, then the controls will be moved down a bit. If It's on top, then they would move up.

I think that the Extension Depot kit has a larger hole for the engine mount bolt, allowing the bolt head to fit offset in the hole without interfering with the extension. That way the extensions could fit on either side.

Like I said, I have no experience with either kit. Maybe someone, who has can either confirm what I'm saying or set me straight, will chime in.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 10, 2021, 02:12:56 pm
Thanks, appreciate your insight! These are on closeout so no returns otherwise I would just order them and see. I canít find a website for this company and their distributor has no info in regards to this.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: Ares X on Jan 10, 2021, 06:16:00 pm
Thanks, appreciate your insight! These are on closeout so no returns otherwise I would just order them and see. I canít find a website for this company and their distributor has no info in regards to this.

You have all kinds of reasons there I wouldn't be buying them.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 11, 2021, 11:36:17 am
Thanks, appreciate your insight! These are on closeout so no returns otherwise I would just order them and see. I canít find a website for this company and their distributor has no info in regards to this.

You have all kinds of reasons there I wouldn't be buying them.

Not what I normally would want to do but the price is hard to pass up. Meancycles says theyíve sold several with no complaints.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: Ares X on Jan 11, 2021, 11:58:51 am
GOOD LUCK!

By the way... You said there was no shift rod included, but it does look to contain a shift rod extension piece.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 11, 2021, 12:10:56 pm
Like in the Extension Depot kit I posted a pic of earlier, the short rod should be an extension for the brake.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 11, 2021, 12:51:19 pm
I can't see where the welded nut at the front (lowest) hole is. If it's under the bracket, which would explain why I can't see it, then the controls will be moved down a bit. If It's on top, then they would move up.

Good thought, unfortunately itís a tapped hole.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 20, 2021, 10:11:07 am
MeanCycles obtained pictures from a customer. As you can see, the kit indeed moves controls down a bit. My guess, in order to maintain the geometry of the shift linkage. If anything I want to bring the shift rod up and farther from the crankcase which is why Iíve decided to pass on these and get the PCS kit Ė Iím just unsure how beefy my custom shift rod will be.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 20, 2021, 06:04:00 pm
Actually looking at this again, I also think theyíre not moving the controls down in the sense of lowering them, I think theyíre rotating the fronts down making your feet flatter, which would help with dragging heels of boots. Personally I feel that be a less comfortable position so Iím still good with my decision, but for only $60 might be worth trying out if youíre someone who drags their heels in turns.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: Ares X on Jan 20, 2021, 09:30:00 pm
I used to drag my heels, but now I ride with my heels on my pegs and find it to be far more comfortable.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: craigac on Jan 21, 2021, 06:57:55 am
I ride with my arches on the pegs so I switched from your typical raised heel boot to a wedge sole boot and it definitely helps
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: FireNative on Jan 21, 2021, 09:09:30 am
That's why I love my Kuryakyn SwingWing foot pegs. I can ride with my boots close and to the motor with them parallel with the road in cold weather, then if I want to change my position as my legs get soar, I can keep them there and put my boots at a 45 degree angle, then if I have my cruise control on I can put the bottom back of my boots on top of the farthest part of the pegs and have my boots parallel to the road, but my favorite position is boots on top with them almost flat with the tips pointing outwards, total recline. They have to have the most angle adjust and riding position options of any foot peg.
Title: Re: Help with Forward Control Extensions
Post by: Ares X on Jan 21, 2021, 10:19:37 am
My wife has the Kury Swingwing pegs  and when I was riding her Stryker when my new Raider was being built, I was scraping the hell out of the pegs. I knew they would never work on my Raider.