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Title: Raider Tires
Post by: Centauri on May 28, 2021, 11:24:53 am
It's time for new tires again. I've always used Metzeler 880 Marathons. Those are pretty much out of the picture now so the choice is Metzeler 888 Ultra Marathon. Front and rear installed on the bike is about $700. I can get Bridgestone Exedra's front and rear installed for $400. If money were no object I'd get the Metzeler. It is however so while I could do both tires it would be more comfortable financially to do the front now and rear later. I could probably get through the summer on my current rear but I like to do both tires at the same time.
So...I'm looking for people that have Bridgestone's on their Raider and what their experience has been. Thanks!
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Dirtiegirtie on May 28, 2021, 02:13:42 pm
I think you're going to hear that 90% of the folks on this forum use Avon Cobra Chromes. I'm half way through putting my 240 Avon on (got the wheel off and broke the beads last night... now it's "off with the old, on with the new").

If you really want to get folks going though, ask if they think a 240 will fit on the stock rim.  :o
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Centauri on May 28, 2021, 04:16:47 pm
The 210/40 R18 isn't available. I've looked and it's Metzeler or Bridgestone. Anyway I paid for the Metzeler 888's this afternoon. Thanks.
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: toy on May 28, 2021, 06:16:59 pm
Ive never changed front and rear at the same time. Close a few times... Ive gotten 2 rears for every front change, except the one time i ran avon front, i got three rear changes before the front swap.
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Centauri on May 29, 2021, 02:52:10 pm
I'm anal.
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: dukedomain on May 30, 2021, 09:31:24 am
Michelin used to make a 240.  Havenít been able to find any lately. Anyone know if they still make it?
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: xmanrigger on May 30, 2021, 01:59:22 pm
Ive never changed front and rear at the same time. Close a few times... Ive gotten 2 rears for every front change, except the one time i ran avon front, i got three rear changes before the front swap.

Same. 2 rear tires to a front, per season. Switched to Avon when stock Metzeler was done. Not sure if Metzeler fixed it, but front tire tread pattern seemed backwards. Switched to Avon when stock front tire done as well.
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Badbluraider on May 30, 2021, 06:41:19 pm
Nothing but Avon's for me. However I am the odd man out as usually wearing my front out before or close to the rear. Pushing it into turns too hard without braking I believe is what is chewing them up so soon. :( Therefore my days of 1 front to 2 rears has been over since I got the Raider. My Vmax will probably be 1 to 2 hopefully.
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: dersteirer on Sep 09, 2021, 03:25:05 pm
I used to have Metzeler Marathon on my Honda Shadow, and I had many very bad moments with them. On wet surfaces very often I had grip problems. What a nightmare so many times, just normal driving, like 50 km/h in the city center and you almost have an accident due to soft and careful breaking. Some say, since they're made in Brazil they're that bad.

So I switched to the Cobra Chrome, much better grip during bad weather (probably not perfect). And cornering is way much better now, the VT 1100 is quite nimble like that. Big fun to ride. Big improvement overall.

I got them 3-4 years ago, the Cobra Chrome just came out at that time. They have two differend rubber components, and that (and the rasonable price) made me order them. Here in Germany it's a bit complicated regarding papers and approvals so you are allowed to run these tires. I was mailing to Avon in Germany, quickly got some answers and approvals, good customer support.

Now I have a new (used) Raider, with some new Metzeler on it. So I have to get new tires soon. The other day I almost layed down my new bike, as the front wheel slipped when I was breaking. With less than 30 mls/H, that's sick. I am used to run bikes and cars without ABS, even on ice in winter, no problem. Despite global warming, fortunately we still get some rain here in northern Germany, but you cannot ride the Metzeler, because after 3 rain drops you have to stop.

I am very happy with my Avon Cobra Chrome!

 

Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on Sep 09, 2021, 04:33:16 pm
It's false economy if you buy Metzeler's over Avon Cobra Chromes.
The rear Avon is good for 18k miles (although the front wears a fair bit quicker)

The rear Metz is around 10k miles.

Do the Math

That's even without considering the grip and what is the best all round tire

Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: dersteirer on Sep 28, 2021, 02:34:22 pm
Is there a Avon Cobra Chrome available for the regular 210 size? I can't find some here.
I don't think that I can get a 240 here in Germany without having problems with the police.
Only two tires are available here in 210, Bridgestone Exedra and the Metz.
Recently I alomost had an accident due to rain and the poor grip of the metz  :timeout:, I have to get rid of them. exactly the same problems as I had with my Honda.
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: bIKEr42lue on Sep 28, 2021, 04:27:16 pm
Just changed my rear tire a few weeks ago. Couldn't find a 240 in stock anywhere so had to go back to the Bridgestone 210. I like the handling, but not the look.

@Centauri a good way to save money is to do your own wrenching. A good torque wrench is a good investment that can save you a lot. Even if you don't have a tire machine and don't want to hassle with taking the tires off the wheel, you can still save by removing and reinstalling the wheels yourself and just getting the shop to change out the tire. Wrenching is also good therapy, and requires beer.  ;D
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: FireNative on Sep 29, 2021, 04:30:28 pm
Is there a Avon Cobra Chrome available for the regular 210 size? I can't find some here.
I don't think that I can get a 240 here in Germany without having problems with the police.
Only two tires are available here in 210, Bridgestone Exedra and the Metz.
Recently I alomost had an accident due to rain and the poor grip of the metz  :timeout:, I have to get rid of them. exactly the same problems as I had with my Honda.

dersteirer I have a similar problem here that my dealership will not install 240mm tires on the stock rim because it is larger than the rim diameter is made for, (yes I know the forum has no problem with making it work but a the dealership will not take the liability of putting an out of spec tire on a rim because "people on the internet said it works") so I go the Exedra front and rear because it was the cheapest 210 rear tire I could find and to keep the front a match with the rear. I haven't had any problems with them yet but I don't corner hard and have only scrapped pegs twice so for in 8K miles but we will see hopefully after next month when I take my motorcycle in the Smokey's for 12 days. 😎👍
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Fiddles on Sep 29, 2021, 04:53:59 pm
Is there a Avon Cobra Chrome available for the regular 210 size? I can't find some here.
I don't think that I can get a 240 here in Germany without having problems with the police.
Only two tires are available here in 210, Bridgestone Exedra and the Metz.
Recently I alomost had an accident due to rain and the poor grip of the metz  :timeout:, I have to get rid of them. exactly the same problems as I had with my Honda.

dersteirer I have a similar problem here that my dealership will not install 240mm tires on the stock rim because it is larger than the rim diameter is made for, (yes I know the forum has no problem with making it work but a the dealership will not take the liability of putting an out of spec tire on a rim because "people on the internet said it works") so I go the Exedra front and rear because it was the cheapest 210 rear tire I could find and to keep the front a match with the rear. I haven't had any problems with them yet but I don't corner hard and have only scrapped pegs twice so for in 8K miles but we will see hopefully after next month when I take my motorcycle in the Smokey's for 12 days. 😎👍
change the tires yourself it's not that hard to do,  they a 50 bead breaker from Harbor freight,   a couple tire irons  and aone rim protectors,  I can pull the rear wheel  off remove and replace tire and remount in 1 hr
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: FireNative on Sep 29, 2021, 06:53:46 pm
Is there a Avon Cobra Chrome available for the regular 210 size? I can't find some here.
I don't think that I can get a 240 here in Germany without having problems with the police.
Only two tires are available here in 210, Bridgestone Exedra and the Metz.
Recently I alomost had an accident due to rain and the poor grip of the metz  :timeout:, I have to get rid of them. exactly the same problems as I had with my Honda.

dersteirer I have a similar problem here that my dealership will not install 240mm tires on the stock rim because it is larger than the rim diameter is made for, (yes I know the forum has no problem with making it work but a the dealership will not take the liability of putting an out of spec tire on a rim because "people on the internet said it works") so I go the Exedra front and rear because it was the cheapest 210 rear tire I could find and to keep the front a match with the rear. I haven't had any problems with them yet but I don't corner hard and have only scrapped pegs twice so for in 8K miles but we will see hopefully after next month when I take my motorcycle in the Smokey's for 12 days. 😎👍
change the tires yourself it's not that hard to do,  they a 50 bead breaker from Harbor freight,   a couple tire irons  and aone rim protectors,  I can pull the rear wheel  off remove and replace tire and remount in 1 hr

Fiddles what kind of tire/motorcycle jack do you use to change the tire?
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Fiddles on Sep 29, 2021, 07:14:40 pm
Is there a Avon Cobra Chrome available for the regular 210 size? I can't find some here.
I don't think that I can get a 240 here in Germany without having problems with the police.
Only two tires are available here in 210, Bridgestone Exedra and the Metz.
Recently I alomost had an accident due to rain and the poor grip of the metz  :timeout:, I have to get rid of them. exactly the same problems as I had with my Honda.

dersteirer I have a similar problem here that my dealership will not install 240mm tires on the stock rim because it is larger than the rim diameter is made for, (yes I know the forum has no problem with making it work but a the dealership will not take the liability of putting an out of spec tire on a rim because "people on the internet said it works") so I go the Exedra front and rear because it was the cheapest 210 rear tire I could find and to keep the front a match with the rear. I haven't had any problems with them yet but I don't corner hard and have only scrapped pegs twice so for in 8K miles but we will see hopefully after next month when I take my motorcycle in the Smokey's for 12 days. 😎👍
change the tires yourself it's not that hard to do,  they a 50 bead breaker from Harbor freight,   a couple tire irons  and aone rim protectors,  I can pull the rear wheel  off remove and replace tire and remount in 1 hr

Fiddles what kind of tire/motorcycle jack do you use to change the tire?
I have a craftsman Aluminum bike back and I raise it high enough to use a regular floor jack under the tire to lower and pull out from under the bike
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: joseph56 on Sep 29, 2021, 07:56:17 pm
I'm looking to replace my tires myself like others   but in the past the dealers have balance as also put weights on the rim   is that/this a concern or something I need to think about   any help is greatly appreciated  8)
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Fiddles on Sep 30, 2021, 05:19:06 am
I'm looking to replace my tires myself like others   but in the past the dealers have balance as also put weights on the rim   is that/this a concern or something I need to think about   any help is greatly appreciated  8)
you can use Ride On Tire sealant and ballancer or Dyna beads
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on Sep 30, 2021, 07:07:55 am
I'm looking to replace my tires myself like others   but in the past the dealers have balance as also put weights on the rim   is that/this a concern or something I need to think about   any help is greatly appreciated  8)

You can use stick-on weights if you know how and have the equipment to balance your wheel/s.
Usually only the front requires balancing but if you are able to do one, then do them both
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Ares X on Sep 30, 2021, 10:00:48 am
I'm looking to replace my tires myself like others   but in the past the dealers have balance as also put weights on the rim   is that/this a concern or something I need to think about   any help is greatly appreciated  8)
you can use Ride On Tire sealant and ballancer or Dyna beads

Ride-On Tire sealant and Balancer!!!
Title: Re: Raider Tires
Post by: Zxdave on Sep 30, 2021, 08:37:03 pm
I'm looking to replace my tires myself like others   but in the past the dealers have balance as also put weights on the rim   is that/this a concern or something I need to think about   any help is greatly appreciated  8)

Not a concern at all in my bookÖ. Thatís the way Iíve balanced rims/tires for 25+ years. Most shops know what they are doing and even have chrome,black and silver weights that blend into the looks of most wheels