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Title: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 04:56:12 pm
HEED THIS WARNING

last night i ran through a rain storm and this morning went to ride the bike, well i started to notice at a steady throttle it would miss or sputter just a bit, not normal never happened before. i got home and looked at the tuner, noticed it was moist and pulled it off the velcro tipped it on its side and dirty brown water poured out, not dripped but poured.

SEAL YOUR POWER PRO!!!   im letting mine dry out and may contact cobra or biker trends to see what we can do about it if in fact it is damaged. im still going to contact cobra and let them know they need to seal it or warn that it needs to be sealed.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 04:59:59 pm
after looking some more it appears to have been soaked by its placement in proximity to the rear tire and spray got to it. you can see its nasty dirty water

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Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 05:20:38 pm
so i put the unit in a box and put a heat gun onto the other side of the box to dry things out on low of course and not direct onto the unit, well the heat managed to make things loose and i was able to pop the unit open, this is what i found.

look towards the top and you can see the corrosion that occurred.  unit seems to work fine and will test real quick. im not worried if the MFG says that i took it apart and voided warranty, lesson learned. i will however slap it in a ziplock and such. if it is bad and cant get another via warranty, ill still buy another cause damn this thing kicks ass!

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Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on May 06, 2012, 05:24:07 pm
Randy
Thanks for the tip. I'll put mine in a plastic bag for added protection, and may look to seal the gap where the water got sprayed up from the rear wheel.
Glad your's still works though.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Hunterman on May 06, 2012, 05:29:42 pm
Toxic can you please take a picture of the other side of the board. I would like to see what it looks like.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 06, 2012, 05:41:55 pm
Being that you have a year warranty and that you have pics....Id say that you should be protected.  If you feel the card might have a shortened life from the water.....  Im sure they would stand behind that and replace it.  Thats wild about the water (amount) and with it being brown tells me that it has been in there for a while, so Im wondering....how long.  Good idea on baggy and with that you should be good to go.  Id say give them a call and let them know whats up.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 06, 2012, 05:53:22 pm
Thanks for letting us know.  I am doing mine this week with my BAK so I will be sure to seal it.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: budaman on May 06, 2012, 06:02:15 pm
Yes let us know what Cobra says about the moisure getting inside the unit
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: t84a on May 06, 2012, 06:07:02 pm
What about heat if you put it in a bag?
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 06:07:28 pm
bottom half

(http://img.tapatalk.com/47d4aff0-fa91-18de.jpg)

took it for a test run and damn still has the power  as before and no missing or sputtering when it was wet.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 06:08:57 pm
Being that you have a year warranty and that you have pics....Id say that you should be protected.  If you feel the card might have a shortened life from the water.....  Im sure they would stand behind that and replace it.  Thats wild about the water (amount) and with it being brown tells me that it has been in there for a while, so Im wondering....how long.  Good idea on baggy and with that you should be good to go.  Id say give them a call and let them know whats up.

it was road spray from last night, up to last night the bike has not seen water since the addition of the power pro.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 06, 2012, 06:09:46 pm
bottom half



took it for a test run and damn still has the power  as before and no missing or sputtering when it was wet.


Yes that lid tells me that water has been sitting there for a while.  That is wild knowing how tight that seal is.  Interesting.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 06:10:09 pm
What about heat if you put it in a bag?
the circuitry is very minimal and there is no heat, ive touched it after a good ride and it was just warm from ambient heat.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 06:11:23 pm
bottom half



took it for a test run and damn still has the power  as before and no missing or sputtering when it was wet.


Yes that lid tells me that water has been sitting there for a while.  That is wild knowing how tight that seal is.  Interesting.

there is no seal at all, just 2 halves of the cover snapped together no silicone no glue nothing for protection.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 06, 2012, 06:12:07 pm
Being that you have a year warranty and that you have pics....Id say that you should be protected.  If you feel the card might have a shortened life from the water.....  Im sure they would stand behind that and replace it.  Thats wild about the water (amount) and with it being brown tells me that it has been in there for a while, so Im wondering....how long.  Good idea on baggy and with that you should be good to go.  Id say give them a call and let them know whats up.

it was road spray from last night, up to last night the bike has not seen water since the addition of the power pro.

Gotcha
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 06:12:56 pm
can a mod sticky this please?
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 06, 2012, 06:24:21 pm
Damn, that's freaky, thanks for the heads up, it does not rain here in Yuma much at all but mine is going into a zip lock as soon as I get the bike.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: BlueBlurRider on May 06, 2012, 06:24:52 pm
I think any item such as this should be water resistant!!! No doing it yourself, cobra should do it for almost a 500 price tag. Come on.....this is my next investment, gotta lose the v&h fuel pack

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Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 06, 2012, 06:27:40 pm
Im off so I might call them AGAIN tomorrow to get confirmation on this.  Thought it was suppose to be water tight already as well.  We shall see!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 06, 2012, 06:41:30 pm
I am also going to call Phil tomorrow in regards to this matter and I recommend that more call him also.  When last I spoke with him he told me that he wants to hear any and all concerns that we the customer may have, good or bad.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Hunterman on May 06, 2012, 06:45:09 pm
Ok Toxic, I have a product that I use in my job to seal processors on our circuit boards in our wheel balances in the field. Some of these processors are senative to moisture. The produce is Electronic Grade Sealant/Adjesive, it's $6.00 from Jamesco Electronics. The part number is 19-155. You can use it directly on the board to seal it. NOTE, I am going to use it to seal the entire case and not the board so that there will be no warranty issues. Go to their website before you close the unit up.
Guys, I know you all are airing on the side of caution, but you do not want to put this unit in a zip lock bag. There is moisture in the air and the unit will sweat in the bag. Now you will creating your own wet situation.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 06, 2012, 06:52:19 pm
Hunterman, when you say seal the entire case are you talking about the seam or actually sealing the entire unit?
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Hunterman on May 06, 2012, 07:25:38 pm
After looking at Toxic photos, it looks like you can pop the case open because it is held together with tabs. I'm going to look at mine tomorrow to open the case and seal the two halves together. Even if some gets on the board, no big deal, because the sealant is safe for electronics. That way, you are not placing the unit in a bag and causing it to sweat.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 06, 2012, 07:47:47 pm
After looking at Toxic photos, it looks like you can pop the case open because it is held together with tabs. I'm going to look at mine tomorrow to open the case and seal the two halves together. Even if some gets on the board, no big deal, because the sealant is safe for electronics. That way, you are not placing the unit in a bag and causing it to sweat.

Yes at the rear where the wires go in....go under the rubber grommet and plastic case and just pop apart with a small screwdriver....pops right open.  Good point on the moisture in the bag. why you're there, give me your input on the case....its really a tight seal and shocked that much water even got there.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: basco05 on May 06, 2012, 07:54:47 pm
Im off so I might call them AGAIN tomorrow to get confirmation on this.  Thought it was suppose to be water tight already as well.  We shall see!

I am also going to call Phil tomorrow in regards to this matter and I recommend that more call him also.  When last I spoke with him he told me that he wants to hear any and all concerns that we the customer may have, good or bad.

Keep us posted guys. I'm curious to know what Cobra has to say... :popcorn:
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 06, 2012, 08:08:56 pm
Im off so I might call them AGAIN tomorrow to get confirmation on this.  Thought it was suppose to be water tight already as well.  We shall see!

I am also going to call Phil tomorrow in regards to this matter and I recommend that more call him also.  When last I spoke with him he told me that he wants to hear any and all concerns that we the customer may have, good or bad.

Keep us posted guys. I'm curious to know what Cobra has to say... :popcorn:

I will post as soon as I get off the phone with him...  ;D
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 06, 2012, 08:12:40 pm
Im off so I might call them AGAIN tomorrow to get confirmation on this.  Thought it was suppose to be water tight already as well.  We shall see!

I am also going to call Phil tomorrow in regards to this matter and I recommend that more call him also.  When last I spoke with him he told me that he wants to hear any and all concerns that we the customer may have, good or bad.

Keep us posted guys. I'm curious to know what Cobra has to say... :popcorn:

I will post as soon as I get off the phone with him...  ;D

Not if I do it first BILL!! LOL :)   :poke:
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Hunterman on May 06, 2012, 08:14:37 pm
When I look at it tomorrow, I will post what I find. I know the case snaps tight, but when you consider it was being drench with water coming off the tire and the positive pressure of air from the speed of traveling forward, water getting into the case is possible. Lets get this fixed and get back to riding.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Hosaks06 on May 06, 2012, 08:51:58 pm
thanks toxic, hope everything works out alright.  i should be getting my tuner here in a couple of weeks ( thanks tejas)  i'll be sure to waterproof it a lil better.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: ONEBADMACHINE on May 06, 2012, 09:18:46 pm
On a side note if anyone is thinking of sealing the entire unit, I would think you would want to open it up to be sure that it is dry.

I also have a question about sealing the entire unit. Does it need to breath or will sealing it entirely be ok?
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 06, 2012, 11:46:37 pm
When I look at it tomorrow, I will post what I find. I know the case snaps tight, but when you consider it was being drench with water coming off the tire and the positive pressure of air from the speed of traveling forward, water getting into the case is possible. Lets get this fixed and get back to riding.

the spray from the rear tire was wicking through the seam and pooling into the unit. there is no direct water impact or pressure its just the fact that the units seam is not sealed allowing water to wick. that is all it was, no need to overthink it. and up here its fairly dry ad i doubt that condensation will build up at all here. it can and does happen with larger bags but ill stick with the ziplock.  :)
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 07, 2012, 11:02:25 am
When I look at it tomorrow, I will post what I find. I know the case snaps tight, but when you consider it was being drench with water coming off the tire and the positive pressure of air from the speed of traveling forward, water getting into the case is possible. Lets get this fixed and get back to riding.

the spray from the rear tire was wicking through the seam and pooling into the unit. there is no direct water impact or pressure its just the fact that the units seam is not sealed allowing water to wick. that is all it was, no need to overthink it. and up here its fairly dry ad i doubt that condensation will build up at all here. it can and does happen with larger bags but ill stick with the ziplock.  :)

Talked to Phil this morning..... he said it could potentially happen and that if its in a place where it is picking up water of course you could put in a small baggy, but put some holes in it so it can breath.  He also said that they are pretty durable units and if you did let dry you will be fine.  So for folks that are concerned check yours out and for the most part youre prolly fine...but if not theres the fix. 
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: basco05 on May 07, 2012, 11:07:53 am
When I look at it tomorrow, I will post what I find. I know the case snaps tight, but when you consider it was being drench with water coming off the tire and the positive pressure of air from the speed of traveling forward, water getting into the case is possible. Lets get this fixed and get back to riding.

the spray from the rear tire was wicking through the seam and pooling into the unit. there is no direct water impact or pressure its just the fact that the units seam is not sealed allowing water to wick. that is all it was, no need to overthink it. and up here its fairly dry ad i doubt that condensation will build up at all here. it can and does happen with larger bags but ill stick with the ziplock.  :)

Talked to Phil this morning..... he said it could potentially happen and that if its in a place where it is picking up water of course you could put in a small baggy, but put some holes in it so it can breath.  He also said that they are pretty durable units and if you did let dry you will be fine.  So for folks that are concerned check yours out and for the most part youre prolly fine...but if not theres the fix. 

Sweet.  Thanks Strike :thumbs:

I think I'll put it in a ziplock, but instead of poking holes I will probably just put a straw or something in the opening to act as a "snorkel".  That way I can "seal" the rest, cause I don't really see the point in putting it in a bag and then poking holes in the bag...
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 07, 2012, 11:08:33 am
strike,

is phil the owner of cobra? and thanks for making the call, i did notice that there wasnt much delicate circuitry to get damaged and so far the unit it working fine.

will he do something to notify current owners and future owners to the issue? what about any that have gotten wet?
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 07, 2012, 11:11:03 am
I like basco's straw idea.  Might add some of those silica dessicant packets for peace of mind.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Votion on May 07, 2012, 11:11:45 am
Just saw this thread.  I had to take my safety course in the rain, got rained on for about 8 hrs straight and didnt have that problem.  I have mine mounted directly on top of the battery and have never had it get wet.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 07, 2012, 11:15:57 am
Just saw this thread.  I had to take my safety course in the rain, got rained on for about 8 hrs straight and didnt have that problem.  I have mine mounted directly on top of the battery and have never had it get wet.

placement has a bit to do with it, mine was on the flat spot of the ECU towards the left and i was doing 80 for 40 miles in the rain. 

i would still put it in something.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 07, 2012, 11:17:19 am
I like basco's straw idea.  Might add some of those silica dessicant packets for peace of mind.
the silica will work perfectly to keep it sealed and very dry!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 07, 2012, 11:21:15 am
I am gonna forget the bag and go with Hunterman's idea of the sealant from Jamesco Electronics. The part number is 19-155.  I have already ordered it.  $14.95 after adding tax and processing fee, not sure what that's all about but I just want a cleaner look then my tuner in a plastic bag.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: ding3k on May 07, 2012, 11:23:33 am
They should really have it sealed to some degree. If there are electronic parts, it should be protected from water. What would happen if you wash your bike and it gets wet. These are supposed to be made for outdoor use and can get wet. Other companies can do it, why can't cobra? I know of GPS units being weather resistant, and they make tons of otterboxes for cell phones and other gadgets. Cobra either needs to seal their device or convince otterbox or something similar to create a nice looking seal for it.

I still love the reviews of the Cobra and will buy either way. I am not a fan of having to have an ugly sandwich bag around something important to my bike.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 07, 2012, 12:53:53 pm
strike,

is phil the owner of cobra? and thanks for making the call, i did notice that there wasnt much delicate circuitry to get damaged and so far the unit it working fine.

will he do something to notify current owners and future owners to the issue? what about any that have gotten wet?

Toxic....

First of all..youre welcome!  Now.... the way he talks he hasnt gotten any calls before with this being an issue and thats even back since the original manual tuners.  He said that it wouldnt hurt to bag it for extra security (with holes).  I told him you put a dryer on it...he said that was fine, and the same thing.... the circuitry wasnt that delicate.  At this point.... I wont bag mine...it dont see alot of water and when or if it does...its me "strategically" hosing off certain areas.  Phil is not the owner.....  Hes a tuner for Cobra.

Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 07, 2012, 01:00:58 pm
ahh ok, yeah i think placement will be good too, i got a lot of wires under the seat so the only spot was on the ecu. i did stick it in a ziplock and ziptied it so im good now. i dont think i will have further latent issues but if i do ill see about warranty if it happens. if i have voided warranty with opening it, ill just buy another as they rock!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 07, 2012, 01:21:00 pm
Just got off the phone with Phil and asked him about the option of using the electronic sealant as mentioned in an earlier post and he said that was perfectly fine.  Phil also reiterated that placement of the tuner can play a major role in protecting the unit from the elements as we have already heard of from another brother that placed his above the battery and has had zero issues driving through the rain.  He also said to let you guys know that he is working very close with the engineers on the future of the tuner and a new board that will give the operator more options.  Can't for the life of me think of anything that I could do that would enhance what the unit is already doing by itself, but then that's why he works there and I don't...  ;D
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 07, 2012, 01:33:30 pm
Just got off the phone with Phil and asked him about the option of using the electronic sealant as mentioned in an earlier post and he said that was perfectly fine.  Phil also reiterated that placement of the tuner can play a major role in protecting the unit from the elements as we have already heard of from another brother that placed his above the battery and has had zero issues driving through the rain.  He also said to let you guys know that he is working very close with the engineers on the future of the tuner and a new board that will give the operator more options.  Can't for the life of me think of anything that I could do that would enhance what the unit is already doing by itself, but then that's why he works there and I don't...  ;D

BILL!!!!   SSshhhhhhh!!!  8)
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 07, 2012, 01:37:09 pm
Just got off the phone with Phil and asked him about the option of using the electronic sealant as mentioned in an earlier post and he said that was perfectly fine.  Phil also reiterated that placement of the tuner can play a major role in protecting the unit from the elements as we have already heard of from another brother that placed his above the battery and has had zero issues driving through the rain.  He also said to let you guys know that he is working very close with the engineers on the future of the tuner and a new board that will give the operator more options.  Can't for the life of me think of anything that I could do that would enhance what the unit is already doing by itself, but then that's why he works there and I don't...  ;D

BILL!!!!   SSshhhhhhh!!!  8)

But he said to tell them...  :rotfl:  I didn't know you wanted to keep it a secret...  ;D
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 07, 2012, 01:37:48 pm
Just got off the phone with Phil and asked him about the option of using the electronic sealant as mentioned in an earlier post and he said that was perfectly fine.  Phil also reiterated that placement of the tuner can play a major role in protecting the unit from the elements as we have already heard of from another brother that placed his above the battery and has had zero issues driving through the rain.  He also said to let you guys know that he is working very close with the engineers on the future of the tuner and a new board that will give the operator more options.  Can't for the life of me think of anything that I could do that would enhance what the unit is already doing by itself, but then that's why he works there and I don't...  ;D

BILL!!!!   SSshhhhhhh!!!  8)

But he said to tell them...  :rotfl:  I didn't know you wanted to keep it a secret...  ;D


Nah.... youre fine...just poking a lil fun at ya!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: AlBaron on May 07, 2012, 02:53:27 pm
Hah?
I just placed the order with bikertrends, and now you're saying that the new version is coming soon?
Will I be able to update my board?

Baron
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 07, 2012, 03:05:28 pm
Hah?
I just placed the order with bikertrends, and now you're saying that the new version is coming soon?
Will I be able to update my board?

Baron

Al....

Actually youre fine.  They have two versions that are currently out.  They are testing the same unit, but with a couple options. If you dont like fiddling with your tuner....you got the bang for the buck! With other folks that like to "tinker" this is something they are looking in to.  In fact...it hasnt even been considered.....just testing.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Hunterman on May 07, 2012, 04:40:33 pm
Ok guys, this only took 5mins to seal up and put back in place. The pictures are attached. I checked to see if there were any seams in the cover needing to be sealed and there were none. Just the outer edge and around the strain relief needed the sealant.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: LongDrive352 on May 07, 2012, 07:32:51 pm
Thanks for the pics Hunterman.  Looking forward to getting my hands on a PowerPro. 
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: AlBaron on May 07, 2012, 09:18:53 pm
What about this sealant (looks to be 50% cheaper) than the first one:

http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Electronic-Grade-Silicone-Squeeze/dp/B0063U2RT8/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1336443309&sr=1-2
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Capt_Zoom on May 07, 2012, 09:57:29 pm
HEED THIS WARNING

last night i ran through a rain storm and this morning went to ride the bike, well i started to notice at a steady throttle it would miss or sputter just a bit, not normal never happened before. i got home and looked at the tuner, noticed it was moist and pulled it off the velcro tipped it on its side and dirty brown water poured out, not dripped but poured.

SEAL YOUR POWER PRO!!!   im letting mine dry out and may contact cobra or biker trends to see what we can do about it if in fact it is damaged. im still going to contact cobra and let them know they need to seal it or warn that it needs to be sealed.

Stick your power pro in a sealed tupperwear bowl half filled with rice.  thats the standard first attempted solution for any electronics that get wet now days.  Not a good sign if the water is brown.  Might mean one of your resistors popped and melted because of the water.  I'd open it up if you can without voiding the warrenty to check it before riding with it again.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 07, 2012, 10:20:08 pm
What about this sealant (looks to be 50% cheaper) than the first one:

http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Electronic-Grade-Silicone-Squeeze/dp/B0063U2RT8/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1336443309&sr=1-2

Before tax and shipping but would still be less then the $14.95 I paid.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 07, 2012, 10:23:34 pm
HEED THIS WARNING

last night i ran through a rain storm and this morning went to ride the bike, well i started to notice at a steady throttle it would miss or sputter just a bit, not normal never happened before. i got home and looked at the tuner, noticed it was moist and pulled it off the velcro tipped it on its side and dirty brown water poured out, not dripped but poured.

SEAL YOUR POWER PRO!!!   im letting mine dry out and may contact cobra or biker trends to see what we can do about it if in fact it is damaged. im still going to contact cobra and let them know they need to seal it or warn that it needs to be sealed.

Stick your power pro in a sealed tupperwear bowl half filled with rice.  thats the standard first attempted solution for any electronics that get wet now days.  Not a good sign if the water is brown.  Might mean one of your resistors popped and melted because of the water.  I'd open it up if you can without voiding the warrenty to check it before riding with it again.

everything checked out ok, the water was brown due to the road grime mixed with the water. all the pots, caps, chips looked fine. Just a bit of corrosion on the bottom side as it didnt have a clear coat on it. the top side had a clear coat so nothing was funky there. it now sits in a ziplok bag ziptied and works fine (for now).  :)
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 10, 2012, 06:20:13 pm
so long term post damage testing, i have found that i still get a very slight miss under steady throttle and a subtle surge here and there, barely noticeable, also smells a touch rich then before. I did fill up at same gas station and topped of like i always do and the mileage has dropped from the usual 35/40 down to 29ish this was the biggest signal there is something not right. .

I called cobra directly and spoke with brad cus service rep, he was great to work with and more than likely will replace the unit under warranty. I STILL WANT ONE!!   i will update with what goes on next, They said Phil will more than likely get hold of me and we will hash stuff out.  So far good customer service and look forward to resolving. I will be sealing the next one no matter what. The bike is rideable but the unit is damaged ever so slightly causing the poor mileage and the slight miss under steady throttle.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 10, 2012, 06:48:32 pm
all i can say is WOW!!!

Just got off the phone with Phil, What a great guy to talk to!  He asked a few questions on details of what i was and am experiencing with the damage etc etc..  he is shipping me a new board and case that i just plug into the existing wire with the old unit. He did say that with the corrosion that occured that will cause some problems, but its no issue to replace.

For anyone thinking of getting the power pro, DO IT! Its been a long time since i have had such great customer service!!!

Thanks Phil and COBRA! you have a life long customer now!
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Post by: Tail dragger on May 10, 2012, 07:46:10 pm
That is great customer service.  Glad that it is working out for you.  And, I still want to update to the Power Pro.
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Post by: budaman on May 10, 2012, 10:47:29 pm
Glad it worked out for you Toxic and yes they do have great customer service.
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 10, 2012, 11:34:21 pm
That's great news TOXIC, as I said Phil wants to hear from anyone with questions, problems, or concerns and will do all that he can to answer, resolve or put your mind at ease but you have to take the first step and call.  The hardest thing you will have to do is dial the numbers.  Just call Cobra and ask for Phil the rest will make your day...  ;D
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Post by: silverstreak on May 10, 2012, 11:42:44 pm
That's great news TOXIC, as I said Phil wants to hear from anyone with questions, problems, or concerns and will do all that he can to answer, resolve or put your mind at ease but you have to take the first step and call.  The hardest thing you will have to do is dial the numbers.  Just call Cobra and ask for Phil the rest will make your day...  ;D

yep, what he said.  I tried to call biker trends but they were closed being on east coast, so i called cobra direct and got it resolved in minutes.

Talking with Phil, the reason why they dont "seal" the unit is it is much easier for them to have you pull the board out and swap it with a new board in case yours has an issue, he sends the new board like next day or two day something like that. If they did seal it up, it would be a PITA to get apart, get the goop off the board then swap it out. They do dip the board in automotive epoxy but only to a certain point  (up the the connector) and its those soldered points on the back that dont get dipped and are really the only weak spot. He did say they have tested the unit in water and it worked fine, the bad part is, if you get water with minerals that starts to conduct electricity better than just water that is where the problem is.

For me, the product is great and there is a tradeoff of being able to fix it fast compared to not being able to fix it fast when sealed. Some will have negative stuff about it to say, so be it, but for me i will just seal it in a plastic bag and be good.

This product is awesome, there are some great things coming down the pipe (cant say anything about it) and the customer service is excellent.
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Post by: Tyranus on May 11, 2012, 01:47:46 am
That's good news. I have a Power Pro new in box from last year when everyone seemed to have problems with the first batch. I'll be so short on my vacation time that I don't want to let shipping time be a problem with the mods I hope to make. Knowing that he ships overnight is pretty cool and I'm tempted to see if he'll just swap me out before I get home. But there's no way to prove that the one I have is faulty. I just hate to open a new box to find out it's bad and then rebox to ship. I'll check with him again to see what the score is.
Thanks for keeping us informed on all of this.
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 11, 2012, 02:09:36 am
That's good news. I have a Power Pro new in box from last year when everyone seemed to have problems with the first batch. I'll be so short on my vacation time that I don't want to let shipping time be a problem with the mods I hope to make. Knowing that he ships overnight is pretty cool and I'm tempted to see if he'll just swap me out before I get home. But there's no way to prove that the one I have is faulty. I just hate to open a new box to find out it's bad and then rebox to ship. I'll check with him again to see what the score is.
Thanks for keeping us informed on all of this.

The one you have right now is no different then the ones being sold today, the 2nd generation card is not in production yet, it is still in testing.  Hook it up and take it for a ride, if you do experience any issues Phil will be more then happy to work with you to get it resolved.
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Post by: silverstreak on May 11, 2012, 02:10:27 am
That's good news. I have a Power Pro new in box from last year when everyone seemed to have problems with the first batch. I'll be so short on my vacation time that I don't want to let shipping time be a problem with the mods I hope to make. Knowing that he ships overnight is pretty cool and I'm tempted to see if he'll just swap me out before I get home. But there's no way to prove that the one I have is faulty. I just hate to open a new box to find out it's bad and then rebox to ship. I'll check with him again to see what the score is.
Thanks for keeping us informed on all of this.

here is the cool thing, if you two work it out and find that the current board is faulty, he will ship the new one out with a prepaaid envelope for you to ship the bad one back. No charge to customer! this is what he is doing for me and for everyone with a faulty/damaged board.  But you got to give him a call, talk to cobra and open a warranty case and request phil the engineer to look into it. he will call you back and work it out with you. This is one of his jobs.
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Post by: silverstreak on May 11, 2012, 05:25:44 am
i just noticed the ECU is a mitsubishi part or housed in a mitsubishi shell...


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Post by: Tyranus on May 11, 2012, 07:14:10 am
That's good news. I have a Power Pro new in box from last year when everyone seemed to have problems with the first batch. I'll be so short on my vacation time that I don't want to let shipping time be a problem with the mods I hope to make. Knowing that he ships overnight is pretty cool and I'm tempted to see if he'll just swap me out before I get home. But there's no way to prove that the one I have is faulty. I just hate to open a new box to find out it's bad and then rebox to ship. I'll check with him again to see what the score is.
Thanks for keeping us informed on all of this.

The one you have right now is no different then the ones being sold today, the 2nd generation card is not in production yet, it is still in testing.  Hook it up and take it for a ride, if you do experience any issues Phil will be more then happy to work with you to get it resolved.

By part number and function that is correct. However, since mine was one of the first batches released there were many that had error codes and had to be returned for replacement. Due to what's happening over here we are being issued blocks of vacation time  and not sure if we can choose that block of time or if we take what's given us and that's it. Kinda mute but the bottom line is I want to get crackin on installing at least the performance mods and get it dyno tuned ASAP (not really needed but I'd like to know what the #'s are since I'll be installing the Hard Krome velocity Pro's, BAK and Power Pro). Waiting for a new tuner will hamper that effort. But I won't know until I try so I can see why they wouldn't want to arbitrarilly just replace it now with a new one. I'm hoping there is a faster shipping time for a defective unit (sounds promising as per Toxic's post) than say ordering one from a vendor for the first time. I'm really doubting that my block of time would allow me to visit WARRII but it'd be cool if I could. The Misses might have a job by then and I could do another road trip on my Raider. Not the end of the world if I don't get to ride this summer but it's always a great way to recharge for what happens in the future. Rambling on.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: budaman on May 11, 2012, 07:57:52 am
The first batches of Pro tuners were having wiring harness issues on some of them. That is what was wrong with them and since have been fixed it was a hit or miss.
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Post by: Tyranus on May 11, 2012, 11:25:57 am
Thanks Budaman, maybe I'll get lucky.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 11, 2012, 02:02:37 pm
Cobra Owners....

Talked to Phil (Cobra) again today and he was telling me that they will start on the second gen. cards soon.  In fact within the next two months.  He wanted me to let you guys know that if your tuner is running fine...then no need to upgrade.  If you are having "major" issues and your card is giving you trouble...then he said that you can give him a call and talk to him about it.  He stated that he does not want folks to call if there is nothing wrong for the upgrade.  The upgrade will not make your bike run better if its already running good....its just for folks that has had issues since the install of unit.  They have coded the cards slightly differently so it will address some tuning issues on bikes that the original ones didnt (cant) address.  Now.... he will probably have you ship your old card back to him for testing...at that time he will determine whether or not it is faulty.  The way he put it to me was like this.... if you by a new computer and in a few months they come out with a faster processor....you wouldnt go out there and call Microsoft up and ask them to upgrade to the new processor for free...so neither is he (Cobra).  So just a heads up of whats coming down the pipe.  I also can tell you that this second generation card will have two options... one with the 02 sensor....the other without.  Thats all the details that was told to me to share with you guys at this point.  So just a heads up and a little FYI.
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Post by: Votion on May 11, 2012, 03:27:06 pm
Thanks for the info.  I've had mine for about 7-8 months and havent had an issue with it.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 19, 2012, 04:42:07 pm
so i got the replacement latest generation board from Phil. the board is a totally new layout, achieving the same function with an addition he said i can talk about.

they added an adjustable pot to it so you can lean or richen the mixture at idle throttle and steady cruising. basically any time the engine isnt accelerating (idling or steady throttle) this circuit with the pot on it handles that mixture. when you accelerate the CVT circuit takes over until you cruise again

i also removed the exup valve and put a bolt in the hole to close up the cover. i will come back in a few days to give a review after tweeking here and there on that pot.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/a6935813-1398-2ca3.jpg)
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: basco05 on May 19, 2012, 05:37:03 pm
Looking forward to your review.

Kind of on the same topic, does anyone know of I can slow the RPMs at idle? I think mine revs a little high at idle.
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Post by: budaman on May 19, 2012, 06:07:14 pm
Remove the IAC valve that is what controls your Idle by removing you can set your idle were you want it.
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 19, 2012, 06:44:31 pm
so i got the replacement latest generation board from Phil. the board is a totally new layout, achieving the same function with an addition he said i can talk about.

they added an adjustable pot to it so you can lean or richen the mixture at idle throttle and steady cruising. basically any time the engine isnt accelerating (idling or steady throttle) this circuit with the pot on it handles that mixture. when you accelerate the CVT circuit takes over until you cruise again

i also removed the exup valve and put a bolt in the hole to close up the cover. i will come back in a few days to give a review after tweeking here and there on that pot.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/a6935813-1398-2ca3.jpg)

Good to hear that Phil is taking care of us, Can't wait for your review...  :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Post by: JuJuBee on May 19, 2012, 07:18:01 pm
So for those of us who haven't gone Cobra yet should we wait until the gen II is released?
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Post by: silverstreak on May 19, 2012, 07:36:56 pm
you cant go wrong either way, the first gen worked real good and i was very happy with it, the second gen just has that simple option of mix adjustment.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: basco05 on May 19, 2012, 09:00:01 pm
Remove the IAC valve that is what controls your Idle by removing you can set your idle were you want it.

Please forgive my lack of knowledge of engines, but hopefully this will help out someone else too. What is the IAC valve and where is it located?
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Post by: budaman on May 19, 2012, 10:28:19 pm
It is under the front part of the neck after it is taken out it cleans up that area under the neck. There is a tread on this and a how to I will see if I can find it and get back to you Basco
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Post by: budaman on May 19, 2012, 10:32:31 pm
Remove the IAC valve that is what controls your Idle by removing you can set your idle were you want it.

Please forgive my lack of knowledge of engines, but hopefully this will help out someone else too. What is the IAC valve and where is it located?
this is the post on it and it tells you how to remove, it was a pretty simple mod if you have any questions PM me anytime

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2401.0
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Post by: Motorhead on May 19, 2012, 10:33:12 pm
Remove the IAC valve that is what controls your Idle by removing you can set your idle were you want it.

Please forgive my lack of knowledge of engines, but hopefully this will help out someone else too. What is the IAC valve and where is it located?

Here ya go...
https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2401.0

Its located behind the neck of the frame. Just follow the three hoses going towards the front of the bike above the front jug.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: basco05 on May 19, 2012, 10:35:16 pm
Thanks guys! I'll definitely be doing this tomorrow. Love this forum!! ;D
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Post by: strike 3 on May 21, 2012, 11:59:38 pm
Got the new 2nd gen unit as well and will test and give feedback soon!  Just waiting on weather to cooperate!  :raining:
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 22, 2012, 12:27:47 am
hey strike did Phil give any documentation with the new board? like percentages the pot changes? i do know that cranked full clockwise it will backfire through the throttle bodies and stall lol still need to play with it. i am seeing what my mpg is at 9o'clock then ill move it to 10:30 and repeat. i would like to be able to dial the cruising to a leaner state for economy and have the power for acceleration with the cvt circuit. we will see. i do know that my mpg is back with the new board over the damaged one.
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Post by: strike 3 on May 22, 2012, 07:31:49 am
hey strike did Phil give any documentation with the new board? like percentages the pot changes? i do know that cranked full clockwise it will backfire through the throttle bodies and stall lol still need to play with it. i am seeing what my mpg is at 9o'clock then ill move it to 10:30 and repeat. i would like to be able to dial the cruising to a leaner state for economy and have the power for acceleration with the cvt circuit. we will see. i do know that my mpg is back with the new board over the damaged one.

No, he had told  me to make adjustments in (5 minute) intervals.  So, will try that and see if I notice subtle differences.  Yeah mine normally runs rich so with this Ill turn back a little and of course if popping persist....turn up enough just to get rid of that.  Curious to see the outcome of this.  Ill post back my findings!
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Post by: strike 3 on May 22, 2012, 01:04:25 pm
The first test ride was set on base settings (12:00).  After warm up the first thing I loved was the idle wasn't searching all over the place!  Right there I knew I was going to like this new unit!  Next... I notice the roll on had more grunt.  After about 8 miles I noticed there was a little popping between shifts.  BUT.... this only happened when I got on it hard between first, second and third.  Didn't get any coughing from a stop/take off at dead idle.  Now, I'm really liking this idle now, has a nice consistent idle that I haven't gotten before.  So, I came home and from base settings (12:00) I turned it to slightly(12:02).  Then went for another test drive, got on it hard from the start, and noticed a slight pop.  Then I thought since I just made a change I would give it a chance to "learn" itself.  After a couple miles I didn't get any pop on decel, no pop between shifts and idle remained consistent!  So far.... I'm really liking this!  Haven't had a chance to even look at mileage as this point.  Now, one thing to remember is this.  Cobra with this second gen. card is tuning your motor just like it is on your original tuner but now without the 02 sensor.  Phil said that tuning with the 02 is a lil more difficult cause it was conflicting with their tune.  Before on idle the IAC took over and controlled your idle which I disliked. Now the idle is being controlled by the tuner and of course when you throttle.  So, Cobra can essentially control a wider range of your tune and get closer to that optimal ratio that your 02 wasnt allowing... but still gaining performance.  So they are able to get a little better performance out of it.  Whats neat about it I thought was while its idling, you can turn dial and listen to idle raise and drop.  NOW... another thing.  I know some of you are wondering....whats the point of having an auto-tune system and you have to adjust it.  Well, its like this.  Each bike is created differently.  Cobra cannot get that perfect tune for each bike with "base line" settings.  Especially for folks like me that's made changes to air intake...pipes... etc.  Where we live also makes the tunes different as you very well know.  SO.... with this pot, you can fine tune it to where you can obtain that optimal setting for your bike.  I have that "lean" card that cobra sent me, it ran better than the original but I just needed a small tweak and couldn't do it.  With this...I was able to dial it in.  Of course as I put more miles in, I will report back more later.  What I found to be easiest was to turn the pot towards the lean side.  Take out and test run (with screwdriver and cover off) and its pretty evident that if its popping/idling odd/popping between shifts like crazy you need more fuel.  Turn the pot clockwise until optimal settings are reached.  I just turned pot in 2.5 second intervals.  It does not take much and I could tell with each turn it was getting better.  Once again... KUDOS to Phil and Cobra for continuing to listen to us end users and work on these products and our bikes to make them reach their potential!!!

Phil called me this morning and I forgot to ask, but I'm curious for folks like Paladin and the guys with 120 kits if this system would be "ideal" for them.  I will talk to him later and get the details on that.

Thanks guys for listening to me ramble!! :)
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Post by: basco05 on May 22, 2012, 01:12:32 pm
Thanks Strike!!  2 questions...

1. Since I have the 1st gen card, can I remove the IAC or will that cause problems with the PowerPro?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, do you know if will Cobra offer current owners an upgrade to this 2nd gen card for free or a discounted price?
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Post by: basco05 on May 22, 2012, 01:13:06 pm
Oh, and thanks to whichever admin that made this a sticky!!! :thumbs:
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Post by: strike 3 on May 22, 2012, 01:21:05 pm
Thanks Strike!!  2 questions...

1. Since I have the 1st gen card, can I remove the IAC or will that cause problems with the PowerPro?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, do you know if will Cobra offer current owners an upgrade to this 2nd gen card for free or a discounted price?

you can remove it... the ECU controls your IAC and idle.  Once you take off....the CVT takes over.

I will ask/talk to Cobra about that.  Dont want to answer for them.  I know that if you are having problems with your tune...they will work with you to correct.
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Post by: basco05 on May 22, 2012, 01:31:15 pm
Thanks Strike!!  2 questions...

1. Since I have the 1st gen card, can I remove the IAC or will that cause problems with the PowerPro?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, do you know if will Cobra offer current owners an upgrade to this 2nd gen card for free or a discounted price?

you can remove it... the ECU controls your IAC and idle.  Once you take off....the CVT takes over.

I will ask/talk to Cobra about that.  Dont want to answer for them.  I know that if you are having problems with your tune...they will work with you to correct.

No real issues other than keeping it under the speed limit :cop: ;D

If I can remove the IAC then that should fix my aggravation over the idle.  Other than that (which I know is not Cobra's problem), I am a very satisfied customer.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 22, 2012, 01:34:40 pm
Thanks Strike!!  2 questions...

1. Since I have the 1st gen card, can I remove the IAC or will that cause problems with the PowerPro?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, do you know if will Cobra offer current owners an upgrade to this 2nd gen card for free or a discounted price?

you can remove it... the ECU controls your IAC and idle.  Once you take off....the CVT takes over.

I will ask/talk to Cobra about that.  Dont want to answer for them.  I know that if you are having problems with your tune...they will work with you to correct.

No real issues other than keeping it under the speed limit :cop: ;D

If I can remove the IAC then that should fix my aggravation over the idle.  Other than that (which I know is not Cobra's problem), I am a very satisfied customer.

Basco... I hear you man... I cannot stand the IAC because of that.  Ive got the grizzly cable to do it, just been lazy doing other things on the bike.  But now with testing this tuner today.... Im liking the way its sounding and what I was after as far as idle.  If I could just tuck these wires under neck a little better...Id be a happy camper! :)
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Post by: AlBaron on May 24, 2012, 11:10:41 pm
Gents,
I've been having a different issue with the BAK and the PowrPro. My idle is running too low for the first minute or so. In fact, I have to give it a little throttle for the first minute, only then it does not die on me. Any ideas what needs to be adjusted?

Baron
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Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 25, 2012, 01:32:04 am
Thanks Strike!!  2 questions...

1. Since I have the 1st gen card, can I remove the IAC or will that cause problems with the PowerPro?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, do you know if will Cobra offer current owners an upgrade to this 2nd gen card for free or a discounted price?

you can remove it... the ECU controls your IAC and idle.  Once you take off....the CVT takes over.

I will ask/talk to Cobra about that.  Dont want to answer for them.  I know that if you are having problems with your tune...they will work with you to correct.

No real issues other than keeping it under the speed limit :cop: ;D

If I can remove the IAC then that should fix my aggravation over the idle.  Other than that (which I know is not Cobra's problem), I am a very satisfied customer.

Basco... I hear you man... I cannot stand the IAC because of that.  Ive got the grizzly cable to do it, just been lazy doing other things on the bike.  But now with testing this tuner today.... Im liking the way its sounding and what I was after as far as idle.  If I could just tuck these wires under neck a little better...Id be a happy camper! :)

Brent removed the IAC on his bike a long time ago and added a manual idle adjust to it.  I am thinking that with the 2nd gen card you could bypass that manual idle adjust and do it from the tuner, what do you all think?  Here is the link for the IAC removal:

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2401.0 (https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2401.0)
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 25, 2012, 02:08:07 am
Thanks Strike!!  2 questions...

1. Since I have the 1st gen card, can I remove the IAC or will that cause problems with the PowerPro?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, do you know if will Cobra offer current owners an upgrade to this 2nd gen card for free or a discounted price?

you can remove it... the ECU controls your IAC and idle.  Once you take off....the CVT takes over.

I will ask/talk to Cobra about that.  Dont want to answer for them.  I know that if you are having problems with your tune...they will work with you to correct.

No real issues other than keeping it under the speed limit :cop: ;D

If I can remove the IAC then that should fix my aggravation over the idle.  Other than that (which I know is not Cobra's problem), I am a very satisfied customer.

Basco... I hear you man... I cannot stand the IAC because of that.  Ive got the grizzly cable to do it, just been lazy doing other things on the bike.  But now with testing this tuner today.... Im liking the way its sounding and what I was after as far as idle.  If I could just tuck these wires under neck a little better...Id be a happy camper! :)

Brent removed the IAC on his bike a long time ago and added a manual idle adjust to it.  I am thinking that with the 2nd gen card you could bypass that manual idle adjust and do it from the tuner, what do you all think?  Here is the link for the IAC removal:

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2401.0 (https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=2401.0)
i think strike can confirm this, not sure if he has his IAC removed. if sp then it appears to be able to control the idle fueling
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 25, 2012, 07:05:45 am
I actually still have it connected.  BUT, with the gen. 2 board I am able to control idling. Phil said that he thought I would be able to.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 25, 2012, 08:26:15 am
I actually still have it connected.  BUT, with the gen. 2 board I am able to control idling. Phil said that he thought I would be able to.
hmm im not able to..?
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Post by: raiderbob on May 28, 2012, 09:59:30 am
So, does the PowerPro give you any more power, or does it just smooth things out a bit?  I have a stock motor and get ~ 35-38mpg and decent power.  My previous bike was
an 06 Warrior and the power was spot on imo.  If the PowerPro gives HP & Torque, is it like 5% or 10%?
Thanks
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 28, 2012, 10:21:39 am
So, does the PowerPro give you any more power, or does it just smooth things out a bit?  I have a stock motor and get ~ 35-38mpg and decent power.  My previous bike was
an 06 Warrior and the power was spot on imo.  If the PowerPro gives HP & Torque, is it like 5% or 10%?
Thanks

Bob.....

Right now I can say that it gives you a SOTP gain.  I have not yet taken to the dyno for confirmation of any numbers but from stock to where its at now....yes.  I can tell a difference on torque especially and throttle response is alot better.  Im not one of those ones that can put a number on it at least not yet. :)  With that being said, I also done the BAK...Exhaust.... and tuner at same time.  When I hooked back up the ECU in its stock form... it was a big difference.  To take advantage of tuner potential, I would suggest going the whole route.  Even though you can add a little at a time if that suits you as well.  Hope this helps... Im now going out for a ride and spoil some harley owners day!
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Post by: budaman on May 28, 2012, 10:35:01 am
So, does the PowerPro give you any more power, or does it just smooth things out a bit?  I have a stock motor and get ~ 35-38mpg and decent power.  My previous bike was
an 06 Warrior and the power was spot on imo.  If the PowerPro gives HP & Torque, is it like 5% or 10%?
Thanks
Bob you should be getting better mileage then 35 to 38 and your power even if it is stock should blow away a Warrior. What year is your Raider some of them that came from factory had the coil wires backwards maybe that is whats going on with yours.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 28, 2012, 10:39:31 am
just fyi yesterdays ride netted me 44-45 mpg IIRC and 160 mile range with no low fuel light before fill up see my thread on fork extensions.

i have the tuner turned down to 9o'clock for leaner cruising for mileage. seems to work!
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Post by: toy_collector on May 28, 2012, 02:29:41 pm
I only get 38 to 40 mpg normally, if I do all highway at 65mph or less I can get to 45 mpg.  I'm completely stock.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: 102~2~113 on May 28, 2012, 02:54:46 pm
Got the new 2nd gen unit as well and will test and give feedback soon!  Just waiting on weather to cooperate!  :raining:

I  just ordered mine through the dealer on the date of this post.  I'm wondering if the 2nd Gen is shipping to the general public or will I get the 1st Gen.  Your feed back on your first run sounds really good and would prefer not having to use the Grizzly cable + get rid of the IAC.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 28, 2012, 02:59:53 pm
Got the new 2nd gen unit as well and will test and give feedback soon!  Just waiting on weather to cooperate!  :raining:

I  just ordered mine through the dealer on the date of this post.  I'm wondering if the 2nd Gen is shipping to the general public or will I get the 1st Gen.  Your feed back on your first run sounds really good and would prefer not having to use the Grizzly cable + get rid of the IAC.

Whajac.... There are alot of different conversations going on here.  Now the one you ordered is/will be the first generation model.  Nothing wrong with it at all.  Cobra is just trying some different things on them trying to get a little better overall performance on them.  The second generation is in testing phase, but if all goes well will prolly hit the shelves in a couple months.  As far as removing your IAC.... you're fine and Cobra designed them to run with the IAC.  Those other conversations are just folks like me trying to gain every ounce of performance they can and want to take off anything that's not needed! :)  So.... get yours install and hold on!  You should be fine bro!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: bikertrsh on May 28, 2012, 03:14:56 pm
I don't understand the poor fuel economies on these threads with the Cobra Power-Pro. I have BAK, Power-Pro and Cobra Tri-Pro pipe, and have been consistently getting between 47 and 49 mpg on cruises without much throttle twisting. Mostly on roads with speeds of 55-60 mph on roads that can handle that speed and on slower roads between 35 and 40 mph, with maybe a few throttle twists to catch up with group. Now, the more you twist it, the more fuel economy will drop. Try a 100 mile trip with no hot-dogging and see what your mileage is. So far, my Power-Pro has worked flawlessly.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 28, 2012, 04:04:52 pm
44 average with BAK, chopped exhaust while loaded on my trip.  This is for 55mph speed limits (going 60) for the majority. Anything over, dropped pretty quickly
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Votion on May 28, 2012, 04:07:44 pm
I haven't been able to do a full tank and figure out what I'm getting mpg wise since I got over here.  I think the only time I got over 35-38 mpg was when I was riding 2up and was taking it easy on the throttle.  My route to work is stop and go city roads and I have to use fuel coupons I buy so I never have a full tank to calculate the numbers.  I don't know if its my riding style or what but I dont seem to get the numbers that many people get and I have '11 so i know its not the backwards coil issue.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 28, 2012, 04:11:59 pm
Also, wouldn't elevation have a bit to do with it? Toxic is in colorado I know but seems like it might make a difference
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Votion on May 28, 2012, 04:16:39 pm
Most of my riding is at sea level but my best milage was up in the mountains.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 28, 2012, 04:18:20 pm
Most of my riding is at sea level but my best milage was up in the mountains.
Exact opposite of what I thought.  I give up.  :givemebeer:
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on May 28, 2012, 04:33:17 pm
I have the PowrPro and a K&N drop in filter with drilled airbox and V&H 2:1 exhaust..............I have just been riding around sea level on the highway in hot weather but with blustery winds, for over 200 miles at 70-80 mph
Now working out the fuel used, in US gallons, works out to be just over 40 mpg.............

Now riding at slower speed between 45-55, it is possible to get high 40's, and even slightly over 50 mpg. The only thing I would say though, is why would yopu buy a Raider to ride at such slow speeds?

A mixture of highway speeds and slower roads should give most mid 40's average IMO.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 28, 2012, 05:31:34 pm
I have the PowrPro and a K&N drop in filter with drilled airbox and V&H 2:1 exhaust..............I have just been riding around sea level on the highway in hot weather but with blustery winds, for over 200 miles at 70-80 mph
Now working out the fuel used, in US gallons, works out to be just over 40 mpg.............

Now riding at slower speed between 45-55, it is possible to get high 40's, and even slightly over 50 mpg. The only thing I would say though, is why would yopu buy a Raider to ride at such slow speeds?  
A mixture of highway speeds and slower roads should give most mid 40's average IMO.

It's the cool factor, you just look good no matter what the speed is...  ;D  I do agree that unless you are just really into the right wrist action you should be getting around mid 40's MPG.
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on May 28, 2012, 05:55:53 pm
I don't understand the poor fuel economies on these threads with the Cobra Power-Pro. I have BAK, Power-Pro and Cobra Tri-Pro pipe, and have been consistently getting between 47 and 49 mpg on cruises without much throttle twisting. Mostly on roads with speeds of 55-60 mph on roads that can handle that speed and on slower roads between 35 and 40 mph, with maybe a few throttle twists to catch up with group. Now, the more you twist it, the more fuel economy will drop. Try a 100 mile trip with no hot-dogging and see what your mileage is. So far, my Power-Pro has worked flawlessly.
well i have stock exhaust and weigh #300 so im lugging a bit more weight around
Title: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Sandbox on May 28, 2012, 07:44:37 pm
I am still getting some popping. Yesterday I rode to the Pentagon from one of the local HD shops. It was about an hour of switching between 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears. Any ideas?

I haven't touched the intake yet.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 28, 2012, 07:55:36 pm
I am still getting some popping. Yesterday I rode to the Pentagon from one of the local HD shops. It was about an hour of switching between 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears. Any ideas?

I haven't touched the intake yet.
I only get popping when I do some hard decel and downshifting.  I figure I'm ok.  If its still happening when I get aftermarket pipes, I will make phone calls.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 28, 2012, 07:59:04 pm
Guys, there is no guarantee that the Power Pro will eliminate all popping, it's an inherant thing with big V twins.  It will reduce most popping but nothing is going to get rid of it all.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on May 28, 2012, 08:02:06 pm
I like some pop its just the big ones that sound like a gun shot that bother me.  Small decel pops are fun!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: ETEXRaider on May 28, 2012, 08:08:05 pm
I put mine on last week and haven't heard a single pop since. I could almost make it pop at will when I had the old Cobra unit on. So much quieter and smoother with the PowerPro. Definitely 2 thumbs up!
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: strike 3 on May 28, 2012, 08:19:07 pm
just fyi yesterdays ride netted me 44-45 mpg IIRC and 160 mile range with no low fuel light before fill up see my thread on fork extensions.

i have the tuner turned down to 9o'clock for leaner cruising for mileage. seems to work!

Toxic.....

I'm running mine at 12:00 and getting hardly no decel pop but dont know what fuel mileage yet.  Are you getting erratic idle...pop between shifts.....poor performance, or running hot at 9 o'clock??  I still havent turned it that far back yet...course I know alot goes into our different setups and areas.  Just trying to see the different comparisons.  Almost wondering if we should start a new thread for these G-2 units so we dont confuse others with it.... what ya think?
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on May 28, 2012, 08:56:01 pm
just fyi yesterdays ride netted me 44-45 mpg IIRC and 160 mile range with no low fuel light before fill up see my thread on fork extensions.

i have the tuner turned down to 9o'clock for leaner cruising for mileage. seems to work!

Toxic.....

I'm running mine at 12:00 and getting hardly no decel pop but dont know what fuel mileage yet.  Are you getting erratic idle...pop between shifts.....poor performance, or running hot at 9 o'clock??  I still havent turned it that far back yet...course I know alot goes into our different setups and areas.  Just trying to see the different comparisons.  Almost wondering if we should start a new thread for these G-2 units so we dont confuse others with it.... what ya think?

I can't speak for TOXIC but I think it's a great idea...  ;D
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: michael t on May 28, 2012, 10:48:37 pm
I only get 38 to 40 mpg normally, if I do all highway at 65mph or less I can get to 45 mpg.  I'm completely stock.


Thats my 2011  37MPG most of the time , that  town and  2 lane country.   On express way  at 65  around 44 .  All I have is drilled mufflers. 

  To day  was 38
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Votion on May 31, 2012, 10:24:59 am
Since I put the Pro on I cant get it to pop.  I've tried going from high throttle to none, where it used to pop the worse and all I get is a deep rumble.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: wpd736 on Jun 17, 2012, 08:49:29 pm
anyone else have it pop through the throttle bodies when your off it then get on it again or rev it between gears ?? :raider:
Title: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on Jun 17, 2012, 09:01:54 pm
 mine does it here and there i have stock pipes still.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: wpd736 on Jun 17, 2012, 09:03:18 pm
have cobra swepts .... does it a lot
Title: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on Jun 18, 2012, 05:32:33 am
jkimmel has the VH 2-2 pipes and not a single pop at all and he has the power pro. im sure my exhaust gaskets are a bot goofed with how many times ive had my pipes off, and i run the gen 2 lean
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: dokpc1 on Jun 18, 2012, 07:24:16 am
Yup but not due to power pro been doing it since i bought the bike i just dont crack the throttle between shifts

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Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: bluecat77 on Jun 22, 2012, 10:20:29 pm
I got my powerpro the other day still get a little pop with VH 2-1 pipes , but do love how its make bike perform , I took some black electrical  tape stuck around the seam of the unit
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: BlueBlurRider on Jun 22, 2012, 10:36:55 pm
Did it make a big difference blue cat? I have the 2 into one too, but running v&h fuel pack and no air kit yet. Really curious from someone with similar set up

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Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: no on Jul 14, 2012, 11:59:20 am
Toxic,

 I didn't read through the whole thread so I am not sure if you took your unit to Cobra or not, if you didn't you might consider getting some conformal fluid ($12.00) and sealing your board with that. All of my control boards for my halos are sealed this way for this very reason, I can and have dunked my control boards in a cup of water while they are powered up with no ill effects because they are sealed with conformal fluid, stuff works great!
Title: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on Jul 14, 2012, 12:00:50 pm
hey maxx, i just used a heavy duty ziplock and ive had zero problems since but thank you for the suggestion :)
Title: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Sandbox on Jul 14, 2012, 12:08:55 pm
Ditto. I keep a ziplock under the seat and if it looks rain or when I get ready to wash it, I stick the PP in the ziplock. I've even got as far as asking a Hooters girl for some Saran wrap.


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Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on Jul 14, 2012, 06:08:59 pm
Ditto. I keep a ziplock under the seat and if it looks rain or when I get ready to wash it, I stick the PP in the ziplock. I've even got as far as asking a Hooters girl for some Saran wrap.


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i have the ziplock ziptied so its on there all the time. havent had condensation issues.
Title: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: basco05 on Jul 15, 2012, 10:14:36 am
Ditto. I keep a ziplock under the seat and if it looks rain or when I get ready to wash it, I stick the PP in the ziplock. I've even got as far as asking a Hooters girl for some Saran wrap.


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i have the ziplock ziptied so its on there all the time. havent had condensation issues.

You also live in CO and the average humidity is less than it is here, so I'm not sure if I could get away with that.  Though I do try and avoid the rain, so hopefully I never have an issue with water damage.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Motorhead on Jul 15, 2012, 08:37:00 pm
I just siliconed mine around the case seam and was in heavy rain yesterday. No problems.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Jul 16, 2012, 04:42:56 am
I will be testing the Gen-2 with the 120ci build for Cobra, I was originally going to seal the Gen-1 with silicon but with the Gen-2 the adjuster for the idle is on the card so sealing it with silicon would be a PITA until you can find the setting you want.  So until the setting I want is found I will be utilizing the ZIP-LOCK method...  :(
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Blueridge Raider on Jul 24, 2012, 12:23:58 pm
1st post on this Forum
08 Raider with K&N drop in airfilter, Cobra Swept exhaust, BCT baffels and PP, have about 40K miles on bike
Had a PC3 on the bike for about 3 years and was never really happy with it, swapped it out about 4 months ago for PP. What a great improvement over PC3. About a month ago, the day after riding in a bad rain storm, the bike started running rough, really bad in 2nd and in 4th and 5th it would hold back and then lurch foward when it cleared it self up, thought it was bad gas, lasted for about 50 miles then cleared up but was not the same, pick up seemed down and mileage dropped. I called Cobra spoke to Phil, he sent me a GEN 2 pwb w/dial. When I swapped the pwb's the original was corroded bad, the whole back side of the pwb under the red led. Put in new pwb and all is good again. The only thing I would add about sealing up the unit is to put silicone on the inside of the top around the lens for the red led. Just my 2 cents.

LTR/RTL
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Viotater on Jul 26, 2012, 02:28:42 am
after looking some more it appears to have been soaked by its placement in proximity to the rear tire and spray got to it. you can see its nasty dirty water

(http://img.tapatalk.com/47d4aff0-f442-67d3.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/47d4aff0-f453-e093.jpg)

looks just like mine before they shorted out.Shame because i think it works great but stupid that its not water tight. if i were to do it again i would get an otter box and seal it in
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: silverstreak on Jul 26, 2012, 04:15:19 am
yeah i found the instructions from the box and it clearly states to place the unit on the left side of the ECU where the velcro is. I will agree they could have put a seal on the case itself.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Wassup77 on Jul 26, 2012, 08:12:09 am
This may have already been answered, I didn't go back and read every single post, had anyone asked phil at Cobra why now that they know these things are getting wet, why aren't they changing the design to seal them?

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Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: JuJuBee on Jul 26, 2012, 01:10:52 pm
I just wraped mine with a strip of electrical tape, just over seam. I have riden in heavy rain since and it was dry as a bone when I checked after getting home
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Tail dragger on Jul 26, 2012, 06:44:54 pm
A question came to mind.  You guys that had a water problem with the Cobra Power Pro; have you done any work on the sub fender?  Reason I asked is that I've ridden in the rain and just didn't note water anywhere in that area.  I keep my registration/Insurance in a plastic bag close to that and have my PCIII there and neither was wet or even that dirty and I've got 24000 miles on my bike.  Just wondered?
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: jhow2133 on Jul 26, 2012, 10:00:43 pm
Mine is on top of the ECU under the seat and I haven't gotten it wet with a power washer
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: michael t on Jul 27, 2012, 10:35:06 pm
A question came to mind.  You guys that had a water problem with the Cobra Power Pro; have you done any work on the sub fender?  Reason I asked is that I've ridden in the rain and just didn't note water anywhere in that area.  I keep my registration/Insurance in a plastic bag close to that and have my PCIII there and neither was wet or even that dirty and I've got 24000 miles on my bike.  Just wondered?


I also have my insurance and  registration   close to the  Cobra .  The  rubber flap covers my Cobra   and like other poster I have power washed and no water problem
   
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Tail dragger on Jul 28, 2012, 07:56:36 am
I would guess that riding in the rain would cause the rear tire to transfer water from the road around the interior of the fender (subfender) and if there was a break somewhere there, the water would make it's way under the seat.  But, that's just a guess.  Maybe put the bike on a jack, start it up, put it in gear and run a hose to the rear tire and see where the water goes.  Sounds like a good experiment for someone to try.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: yardog102 on Aug 14, 2012, 03:53:08 pm
I ordered and got it installed. It had a problem so i called cobra and bam everything was corrected they are sending me an new unit. thank you Phil for being such a good guy and taking care of my issue .
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Budzo on Aug 14, 2012, 04:02:41 pm
I ordered and got it installed. It had a problem so i called cobra and bam everything was corrected they are sending me an new unit. thank you Phil for being such a good guy and taking care of my issue .

What was the problem?
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Matt St. John on Aug 14, 2012, 06:21:20 pm
I'm installing mine now. Going to go with silicone and installing right next to the ECU. I should be fine.

Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: blakjak on Aug 15, 2012, 07:44:31 am
anyone else have it pop through the throttle bodies when your off it then get on it again or rev it between gears ?? :raider:

I will get this every once in a while. Coming down from 5th into 4th, I'll twist the throttle really quick to try and close the gap between engine rpm and the gear change and I'll get a "ploph" sounding pop back through the throttle bodies. It never does it any other time and if I slow down the twist and not do it so fast, it won't do it either.

Without going into a huge post on the theory and concept behind why, I chalked it up to a lean condition when I crack the throttle too fast after unloading the engine by pulling in the clutch for the downshift. Solution for me, don't crack the throttle so fast.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Starky on Aug 15, 2012, 08:57:02 am
Mine is on the right side stuck down on the outside of the fuse box.  I have it in plastic with electrical tape around it and have had no problems.  I know it gets wet when I wash it, but it has not gotten into the unit so I don't worry about it.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Kevs UK Raider SCL on Aug 19, 2012, 07:36:11 pm
Just completed over 5000 miles travelling across 13 States, some in stormy weather, and have zero problems with the Powrpro.

I sealed it with clear silicone and put it in a plastic bag prior to the road trip, but on two occasions when I lefted the seat, there was NO water to be seen, so expect no problems to my unit.

Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: 109rfan on Sep 04, 2012, 07:38:48 pm
I had my power pro installed for 2 weeks and about 200 miles and mine died. It now pops all the time and loss of power.  I called and talked to mike who wasn't very helpfull he said fax a receipt and phone number gel call back.  I had a copy of the receipt sent from the seller so hopefully wel get it worked out. I really really want to like this product as it was awesome when it worked
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: no on Sep 04, 2012, 07:45:58 pm
I am still not understanding why you guys don't use conformal fluid on the board, it will completely seal the board and make water a non issue. This is what I use on my control boards for my halos. I have been in some nasty rain and not had a single issue.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Fj_Ohio on Sep 04, 2012, 07:53:55 pm
I am still not understanding why you guys don't use conformal fluid on the board, it will completely seal the board and make water a non issue. This is what I use on my control boards for my halos. I have been in some nasty rain and not had a single issue.

Perhaps you should be asking Cobra this same question.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: no on Sep 04, 2012, 08:04:44 pm
I will be honest, I have Cobra pipes that have had quality issues with the chrome after only a year. When I bought the bike they had the pipes on them but they were only a month old. When I called Cobra I was told it was a known issue (The chrome peeling on the billet aluminum tips) and the solution was to purchase brand new ones. Now I understand I am not the one who bought the pipes, however being less than a year old and having the chrome peeling is ridiculous, Cobra not only did nothing about the issue, the did that while giving me a MAJOR attitude. I will NEVER purchase a Cobra product EVER. Their attention to details with their Power Pro or lack there of is just further proof to me that Cobra doesn't care and just wants your money. I would run stock before I ever put another Cobra product on my bike, BUT that is just my opinion. 
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Fj_Ohio on Sep 04, 2012, 08:38:15 pm
I will be honest, I have Cobra pipes that have had quality issues with the chrome after only a year. When I bought the bike they had the pipes on them but they were only a month old. When I called Cobra I was told it was a known issue (The chrome peeling on the billet aluminum tips) and the solution was to purchase brand new ones. Now I understand I am not the one who bought the pipes, however being less than a year old and having the chrome peeling is ridiculous, Cobra not only did nothing about the issue, the did that while giving me a MAJOR attitude. I will NEVER purchase a Cobra product EVER. Their attention to details with their Power Pro or lack there of is just further proof to me that Cobra doesn't care and just wants your money. I would run stock before I ever put another Cobra product on my bike, BUT that is just my opinion.

I Agree and I respect your opinion.
As for the power pro it seems they are making a killing on this product considering their mark up and what it is available for from outside distributors. Maybe that is why they are so willing to conform to anyone they know that will help them distribute their products in the forums.
It appears the truth is they did not invent this technology they just remanipulated it and ran with it knowing the current market as it is they were sure to turn a profit. I do believe they want to create quality products but they don't want to go the extra mile for quality and stake their reputation on them.
In all fairness some have had great results when dealing with Cobras customer service and others have been sh!t on. This alone raises questions about the company as a whole and why I avoid them.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: no on Sep 04, 2012, 08:41:24 pm
I will be honest, I have Cobra pipes that have had quality issues with the chrome after only a year. When I bought the bike they had the pipes on them but they were only a month old. When I called Cobra I was told it was a known issue (The chrome peeling on the billet aluminum tips) and the solution was to purchase brand new ones. Now I understand I am not the one who bought the pipes, however being less than a year old and having the chrome peeling is ridiculous, Cobra not only did nothing about the issue, the did that while giving me a MAJOR attitude. I will NEVER purchase a Cobra product EVER. Their attention to details with their Power Pro or lack there of is just further proof to me that Cobra doesn't care and just wants your money. I would run stock before I ever put another Cobra product on my bike, BUT that is just my opinion.

I Agree and I respect your opinion.
As for the power pro it seems they are making a killing on this product considering their mark up and what it is available for from outside distributors. Maybe that is why they are so willing to conform to anyone they know that will help them distribute their products in the forums.
It appears the truth is they did not invent this technology they just remanipulated it and ran with it knowing the current market as it is they were sure to turn a profit. I do believe they want to create quality products but they don't want to go the extra mile for quality and stake their reputation on them.
In all fairness some have had great results when dealing with Cobras customer service and others have been sh!t on. This alone raises questions about the company as a whole and why I avoid them.

Well if anybody would like to see the Cobra quality 1. read through this thread and 2. I'd be happy to post pics of the billet tips that now sit on a shelf in my garage and have the same day I called them. I refuse to have poor quality peeling chrome on my bike, it actually really pisses me off as the pipes just don't look right without them.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: no on Sep 04, 2012, 08:53:43 pm
This is bothering me enough now that I went ahead and sent Cobra the following message, now whether or not they choose to act on it is up to them, I would think with the amount of people who are on this forum and come across this information they would want to fix the situation rather than have customers putting what should be a water tight unit into zip lock bags.

It would seem there are issues arising (Which I am sure your aware of) with your Power Pro. This has become quite a hot topic in the Road Star Raider forum, several members are having to put your product in a zip lock bag due to moisture finding it's way into your poorly sealed housing and shorting out. The customer service several of these members have received is sub par at best and their attitude (including my own due to past experiences with poor customer service from Cobra) toward Cobra is really reflecting the service they have received. You might want to chime in, perhaps even go the extra mile and correct the obvious flaw in your product and make the situation right. The Road Star Raider forum as I am sure your aware is a very large, very active forum and word has, does, and will continue to spread quickly. If you'd like to read the thread it is a sticky at the top of the Mods and Accessories forum with 153 replies and well over 6000 views. The direct link to the 11 pages of discussion is located here ;

https://www.roadstarraider.com/index.php?topic=15847.0

I would anticipate this issue to become only more prevalent as the fall and winter months approach and precipitation increases across the united states and anywhere else you may have these units.

Thanks for your time and consideration
Jason
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Post by: jhow2133 on Sep 04, 2012, 09:33:40 pm
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Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: no on Sep 07, 2012, 09:33:57 am
I suppose Cobra just doesn't care about customer service, they have chosen to not only not respond to this thread in anyway, but they also have not bothered to return my email. This to me just furthers my decision to stay away from Cobra.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Oct 26, 2012, 07:58:14 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: AlanW. on Oct 26, 2012, 09:36:48 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Oct 26, 2012, 11:21:13 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.

Thanks,

Mine has an orange tape on one of the wires, means is Gen. 1

Functional, the difference is that the Gen 2 is 100% controlling also the idle and IAC ?
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Oct 26, 2012, 02:09:11 pm
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.

Thanks,

Mine has an orange tape on one of the wires, means is Gen. 1

Functional, the difference is that the Gen 2 is 100% controlling also the idle and IAC ?

Marcel, it only adjusts the idle, it has no affect on the IAC.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Oct 26, 2012, 04:52:39 pm
Isnt  their a way to change how quick the Raider idles ?
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: michael t on Oct 26, 2012, 11:13:40 pm
 I belive their a idle screw  by the throttle body .
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Oct 27, 2012, 09:35:16 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.

Thanks,

Mine has an orange tape on one of the wires, means is Gen. 1

Functional, the difference is that the Gen 2 is 100% controlling also the idle and IAC ?

Marcel, it only adjusts the idle, it has no affect on the IAC.

OK, thanks,

I'm trying to understand what was the problem with my bike, as there is no Yamaha dealer around my town   :(

I have stock air filter and LAChoppers exhausts.
Two month ago, I have installed Cobra PowrPro and the idle became not constant. I have removed the Cobra unit and idle come back to normal.

(I have phoned Cobra and they told me that reason should be air leakage somewhere. I told them that w/o the Cobra unit, the idle is OK, but they told that the stock ECU cannot detect that air leakage, if is not so big leakage. Cobra unit is not so "generous" as the ECU; then they told me to send the unit to them to check it.)

Anyway, after discussion with Cobra, I have notice that my O2 sensor is out of the order, is not working !  Imediately, I have bought new sensor from US.
Then I did the following operations : I installed the new O2 sensor and also I have cleaned the stock air filter (easy hitting by a flat surface) and a lot of dust and mosquitos was coming out.
Then, with Cobra PowrPro installed I have start the bike and the idle is normal, constant  :yay:

After all this, as lesson learned, I don't know what was the problem : the broken O2 sensor, or because I have cleaned up the air filter and the air is coming now, easily than before, which means there is no air leakage anymore, or is very small leakage. ... :shrug:
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: AlanW. on Oct 27, 2012, 10:08:27 am
i wouldn't worry to much about knowing what the problem was as long as it is working properly.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Oct 30, 2012, 02:26:40 am
i wouldn't worry to much about knowing what the problem was as long as it is working properly.  :thumbs:

You are right, I only hope it will not happen again.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: AlanW. on Oct 30, 2012, 08:59:49 am
of course if you replace a bad o2 sensor than i am pretty sure that would fix the idle problem. Getting proper fuel air mix now.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: michael t on Nov 10, 2012, 10:31:46 pm
Quote
I have cleaned the stock air filter (easy hitting by a flat surface) and a lot of dust and mosquitos was coming out.



I vote Air Cleaner.  I fixed my TV for a long time with a wack on the side and sure other have also  ;D
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CobraUSA on Oct 09, 2013, 11:24:19 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.

Thanks,

Mine has an orange tape on one of the wires, means is Gen. 1

Functional, the difference is that the Gen 2 is 100% controlling also the idle and IAC ?

Marcel, it only adjusts the idle, it has no affect on the IAC.

OK, thanks,

I'm trying to understand what was the problem with my bike, as there is no Yamaha dealer around my town   :(

I have stock air filter and LAChoppers exhausts.
Two month ago, I have installed Cobra PowrPro and the idle became not constant. I have removed the Cobra unit and idle come back to normal.

(I have phoned Cobra and they told me that reason should be air leakage somewhere. I told them that w/o the Cobra unit, the idle is OK, but they told that the stock ECU cannot detect that air leakage, if is not so big leakage. Cobra unit is not so "generous" as the ECU; then they told me to send the unit to them to check it.)

Anyway, after discussion with Cobra, I have notice that my O2 sensor is out of the order, is not working !  Imediately, I have bought new sensor from US.
Then I did the following operations : I installed the new O2 sensor and also I have cleaned the stock air filter (easy hitting by a flat surface) and a lot of dust and mosquitos was coming out.
Then, with Cobra PowrPro installed I have start the bike and the idle is normal, constant  :yay:

After all this, as lesson learned, I don't know what was the problem : the broken O2 sensor, or because I have cleaned up the air filter and the air is coming now, easily than before, which means there is no air leakage anymore, or is very small leakage. ... :shrug:

There is no difference between the original PowrPro and the ones with blue tape on them, other than the extra adjustment that the blue tape model has over the 02 sensors.  If your bike runs well as is, then your unit is working properly! 

What we know for sure is that if your bike has bad 02 sensors, it will not run properly with our PowrPro unit, since it works off of the 02 sensors.  We always recommend to take a look at your sensors to make sure they are still in good working condition.  What the blue unit does is allow you to pretty much turn off the sensors, which we don't recommend doing since that is something that really helps the PowrPro read everything that is going on with your bike.

If anyone has a question, please feel free to call customer service at (714) 692-8180.

Thanks!
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: gRimmM7_62 on Oct 09, 2013, 11:46:21 am
Just a quick question to Cobra or anyone who knows.... can the PowerPro work with a wideband o2 sensor? Would it help or hurt performance from the unit in any way?
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Oct 09, 2013, 01:21:07 pm
Gotta say i have no regrets on the power pro. Its the first one .It pops ever now and then but i can deal with that .
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Oct 11, 2013, 04:00:09 am
Just a quick question to Cobra or anyone who knows.... can the PowerPro work with a wideband o2 sensor? Would it help or hurt performance from the unit in any way?

I don't think it's going to matter if you use the stock or a wide band 02 sensor as long as you use one.  As Cobra stated the unit works off of the 02 sensor to help it get all the readings of what is going on with your bike.  I would recommend giving them a call just to make sure... Cobra customer service  (714) 692-8180.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Oct 11, 2013, 04:17:24 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.

Thanks,

Mine has an orange tape on one of the wires, means is Gen. 1

Functional, the difference is that the Gen 2 is 100% controlling also the idle and IAC ?

Marcel, it only adjusts the idle, it has no affect on the IAC.

OK, thanks,

I'm trying to understand what was the problem with my bike, as there is no Yamaha dealer around my town   :(

I have stock air filter and LAChoppers exhausts.
Two month ago, I have installed Cobra PowrPro and the idle became not constant. I have removed the Cobra unit and idle come back to normal.

(I have phoned Cobra and they told me that reason should be air leakage somewhere. I told them that w/o the Cobra unit, the idle is OK, but they told that the stock ECU cannot detect that air leakage, if is not so big leakage. Cobra unit is not so "generous" as the ECU; then they told me to send the unit to them to check it.)

Anyway, after discussion with Cobra, I have notice that my O2 sensor is out of the order, is not working !  Imediately, I have bought new sensor from US.
Then I did the following operations : I installed the new O2 sensor and also I have cleaned the stock air filter (easy hitting by a flat surface) and a lot of dust and mosquitos was coming out.
Then, with Cobra PowrPro installed I have start the bike and the idle is normal, constant  :yay:

After all this, as lesson learned, I don't know what was the problem : the broken O2 sensor, or because I have cleaned up the air filter and the air is coming now, easily than before, which means there is no air leakage anymore, or is very small leakage. ... :shrug:

There is no difference between the original PowrPro and the ones with blue tape on them, other than the extra adjustment that the blue tape model has over the 02 sensors.  If your bike runs well as is, then your unit is working properly! 

What we know for sure is that if your bike has bad 02 sensors, it will not run properly with our PowrPro unit, since it works off of the 02 sensors.  We always recommend to take a look at your sensors to make sure they are still in good working condition.  What the blue unit does is allow you to pretty much turn off the sensors, which we don't recommend doing since that is something that really helps the PowrPro read everything that is going on with your bike.

If anyone has a question, please feel free to call customer service at (714) 692-8180.

Thanks!

Thank you,

Good to know that my problem was the bad O2 sensor.

As feedback, I'm very happy with my PowrPro. I do not have a dyno chart, but I know the PowrPro is doing  a great job with my bike, because I feel the EXTRA power given by the Pro, also very quick response from throttle.
I have only few poppings, but to be onest, I like them and how people turns heads ! it gives the impresion that something HUGE is around there ...  :)




Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CobraUSA on Oct 24, 2013, 11:07:55 am
Hi,

I just heard about the gen 2 of Cobra PowrPro and know nothing about it.

What's the new think with the generation 2 of Cobra PowrPro ?
I both my Cobra PowrPro in april 2012 and don't know if it's the gen 2 or not. How can I find out this ?

Thanks
Marcel

if it is a gen 2 then one of the wires will have a piece of blue tape on it. Also the major difference between gen 1 and gen 2 is that if you pop open the gen 2 you will have a blue idle adjustment pod on the lower right side of the circuit board. The Gen 1 will not have this at all.

Thanks,

Mine has an orange tape on one of the wires, means is Gen. 1

Functional, the difference is that the Gen 2 is 100% controlling also the idle and IAC ?

Marcel, it only adjusts the idle, it has no affect on the IAC.

OK, thanks,

I'm trying to understand what was the problem with my bike, as there is no Yamaha dealer around my town   :(

I have stock air filter and LAChoppers exhausts.
Two month ago, I have installed Cobra PowrPro and the idle became not constant. I have removed the Cobra unit and idle come back to normal.

(I have phoned Cobra and they told me that reason should be air leakage somewhere. I told them that w/o the Cobra unit, the idle is OK, but they told that the stock ECU cannot detect that air leakage, if is not so big leakage. Cobra unit is not so "generous" as the ECU; then they told me to send the unit to them to check it.)

Anyway, after discussion with Cobra, I have notice that my O2 sensor is out of the order, is not working !  Imediately, I have bought new sensor from US.
Then I did the following operations : I installed the new O2 sensor and also I have cleaned the stock air filter (easy hitting by a flat surface) and a lot of dust and mosquitos was coming out.
Then, with Cobra PowrPro installed I have start the bike and the idle is normal, constant  :yay:

After all this, as lesson learned, I don't know what was the problem : the broken O2 sensor, or because I have cleaned up the air filter and the air is coming now, easily than before, which means there is no air leakage anymore, or is very small leakage. ... :shrug:

There is no difference between the original PowrPro and the ones with blue tape on them, other than the extra adjustment that the blue tape model has over the 02 sensors.  If your bike runs well as is, then your unit is working properly! 

What we know for sure is that if your bike has bad 02 sensors, it will not run properly with our PowrPro unit, since it works off of the 02 sensors.  We always recommend to take a look at your sensors to make sure they are still in good working condition.  What the blue unit does is allow you to pretty much turn off the sensors, which we don't recommend doing since that is something that really helps the PowrPro read everything that is going on with your bike.

If anyone has a question, please feel free to call customer service at (714) 692-8180.

Thanks!

Thank you,

Good to know that my problem was the bad O2 sensor.

As feedback, I'm very happy with my PowrPro. I do not have a dyno chart, but I know the PowrPro is doing  a great job with my bike, because I feel the EXTRA power given by the Pro, also very quick response from throttle.
I have only few poppings, but to be onest, I like them and how people turns heads ! it gives the impresion that something HUGE is around there ...  :)

Glad to hear everything is working for well for you! Once again, if anyone has questions I can try and answer them here, or contact customer service at (714) 692-8180

Thanks!
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: xmanrigger on Oct 22, 2014, 06:16:36 pm
I had mine fail, but not sure if it was due to water or moisture. There were no visible water stains on PCB, but there was a burn mark on PCB around the potentiometer. Contacted Cobra and was sent a replacement PCB at no charge. Great support. I now siliconed the unit air tight.
Look to the right of the blue pot
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7bdd/0ahnk63nggpqujq6g.jpg)
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Zxdave on Oct 23, 2014, 06:47:17 am
Just a quick question to Cobra or anyone who knows.... can the PowerPro work with a wideband o2 sensor? Would it help or hurt performance from the unit in any way?

I don't think it's going to matter if you use the stock or a wide band 02 sensor as long as you use one.  As Cobra stated the unit works off of the 02 sensor to help it get all the readings of what is going on with your bike.  I would recommend giving them a call just to make sure... Cobra customer service  (714) 692-8180.

Don't think that the pro works off of a/f readings from the O2 sensor , far as I know from my understandings it works off the crank sensor only .
It measures the time taken for the crank to make a full revolution and if you are on the gas it add enough fuel to make the crank turn faster on the next revolution .
99% sure the O2 is not involved in its calculations at all bro , but I could be wrong , ask my ex and she knows I was wrong all the time lol !!
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Oct 23, 2014, 06:53:23 am
Just a quick question to Cobra or anyone who knows.... can the PowerPro work with a wideband o2 sensor? Would it help or hurt performance from the unit in any way?

I don't think it's going to matter if you use the stock or a wide band 02 sensor as long as you use one.  As Cobra stated the unit works off of the 02 sensor to help it get all the readings of what is going on with your bike.  I would recommend giving them a call just to make sure... Cobra customer service  (714) 692-8180.

Don't think that the pro works off of a/f readings from the O2 sensor , far as I know from my understandings it works off the crank sensor only .
It measures the time taken for the crank to make a full revolution and if you are on the gas it add enough fuel to make the crank turn faster on the next revolution .
99% sure the O2 is not involved in its calculations at all bro , but I could be wrong , ask my ex and she knows I was wrong all the time lol !!

The pro does need the 02 sensor to function properly, as CobraUSA stated in an earlier post in this thread: "What we know for sure is that if your bike has bad 02 sensors, it will not run properly with our PowrPro unit, since it works off of the 02 sensors."
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: dukedomain on Oct 23, 2014, 09:09:30 am
Just a quick question to Cobra or anyone who knows.... can the PowerPro work with a wideband o2 sensor? Would it help or hurt performance from the unit in any way?

I don't think it's going to matter if you use the stock or a wide band 02 sensor as long as you use one.  As Cobra stated the unit works off of the 02 sensor to help it get all the readings of what is going on with your bike.  I would recommend giving them a call just to make sure... Cobra customer service  (714) 692-8180.

Don't think that the pro works off of a/f readings from the O2 sensor , far as I know from my understandings it works off the crank sensor only .
It measures the time taken for the crank to make a full revolution and if you are on the gas it add enough fuel to make the crank turn faster on the next revolution .
99% sure the O2 is not involved in its calculations at all bro , but I could be wrong , ask my ex and she knows I was wrong all the time lol !!

The pro does need the 02 sensor to function properly, as CobraUSA stated in an earlier post in this thread: "What we know for sure is that if your bike has bad 02 sensors, it will not run properly with our PowrPro unit, since it works off of the 02 sensors."

I found that statement from Cobra a little confusing.  It was my understanding that the PP did not read off the O2 sensor.  Ivan told me to unplug my O2 and I've been running it like that since June.  I do feel like it runs a little rough in certain rpm ranges and feels a little sluggish (relatively) at times.

I am going to plug the O2 back up and see what happens.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: t84a on Oct 23, 2014, 09:11:38 am
Narrow band o2 sensors are for idle and steady throttle only.  You do not need to hook them up.

On the other hand, if they are bad, they would send bad info to the PP so Cobra's statement holds true.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: JB™ on Oct 23, 2014, 10:37:57 am
IMO, you need to have the O2 hooked up with the Powerpro.
The Powerpro itself does not use it, but it is needed during the times when the Power pro is being bypassed.
( idle and steady throttle )
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: dukedomain on Oct 23, 2014, 11:16:55 am
IMO, you need to have the O2 hooked up with the Powerpro.
The Powerpro itself does not use it, but it is needed during the times when the Power pro is being bypassed.
( idle and steady throttle )

Is that why I get a very high idle sometimes?
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Oct 23, 2014, 01:20:05 pm
IMO, you need to have the O2 hooked up with the Powerpro.
The Powerpro itself does not use it, but it is needed during the times when the Power pro is being bypassed.
( idle and steady throttle )

Is that why I get a very high idle sometimes?

Definately, just read my experience one page before

Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Zxdave on Oct 23, 2014, 09:02:50 pm
IMO, you need to have the O2 hooked up with the Powerpro.
The Powerpro itself does not use it, but it is needed during the times when the Power pro is being bypassed.
( idle and steady throttle )

Kinda what I meant in my first post but didn't come out that way, I was referring to the way the pp functions to make our bikes increase torque and hp, it does not use the O2 for that at all , but uses the measure of time of the crank , which makes total sense seeing how horsepower is just a function of the torque at a certain RPM and Horsepower is just a unit of measurement to compare how much work that engine can do over time. How many times per second an engine makes that torque determines horsepower. So kinda easy to understand why the pp works well .   
But yes the pp does not need the info from the O2 to work , but since it's a pass threw for that info to the factory ecu , if the O2 messes up the bike will idle or stumble during times the pp is not in control . Just as it would do if the pp wasn't on the bike and the O2 malfunctioned
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Aug 26, 2015, 07:42:45 am
When running at constant rpm, steady throttle, into a certain gear (specialy 2nd one), with throttle just little bit opened, the engine has some small disruptions, doesn't run well, even some back fires.
Reading this thread I saw the same sympthom when the Cobra PP unit is wet. So I would like to open the covers and look inside.

My questions for brothers who did open already the unit : how did you open it ?  ....did you use just a screwdriver  ?  ...I'm afraid to brake the covers.

Thanks
Marcel
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: MrGood on Aug 26, 2015, 07:51:24 am
Hey boss, if you take a tiny flathead screwdriver near where the plug goes into the unit, gently pinch the sides and lightly twist the plug harness until you see daylight, then you can slowly work it apart.  I did mine yesterday too for the first time and was a little sketchy but turned out fine.  I gotta get mine installed and tweaked, then sealed up!  Ride safe bro, send me Romanian stuff hahaha!
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Aug 26, 2015, 08:12:42 am
I just popped mine open with my hands, it's not glued, just a few snaps that keep it together.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: xmanrigger on Aug 26, 2015, 12:17:45 pm
When running at constant rpm, steady throttle, into a certain gear (specialy 2nd one), with throttle just little bit opened, the engine has some small disruptions, doesn't run well, even some back fires.
Reading this thread I saw the same sympthom when the Cobra PP unit is wet. So I would like to open the covers and look inside.

My questions for brothers who did open already the unit : how did you open it ?  ....did you use just a screwdriver  ?  ...I'm afraid to brake the covers.

Thanks
Marcel

No tool required to open it up.

Grab a hold of the thick part of the cord right at the unit housing. Give it a twist and case will pop open. That is Cobra's procedure.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: marcelmot on Aug 27, 2015, 04:00:11 am
Thank you guys,

indeed ...no screwdriver needed, just twisted the big rubber and ....  daylight ... :)

I even was a little bit concerned about how easily it popped out  !!

Everything OK inside. I will take the opportunity to seal it with some black silicone, for gaskets.
Title: Re: COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: Bluezuke860 on Oct 27, 2015, 07:44:20 am
Use Marine Goop!  Its great stuff to seal it.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: michael t on Oct 15, 2016, 07:29:03 pm
 Whatch if you lay bike down . When I went down  I went to hospital and friend road bike home . I get out of hospital  and road bike to town 15 miles  I stopped to eat and then started for dealer about 2 miles. Didn't make it  It started missing real bad the quit.  Dealer picked up  he played with it and next think I know he off on a test ride . He came back said fixed . I asked what was wrong He said he disconnected the cobra  She fired up and runs fine.  I can't afford another so I am running with out . Got the Popping exhaust back . Will just live with it I guess.
Title: Re: WARNING TO COBRA POWER PRO OWNERS!!!
Post by: xmanrigger on Oct 17, 2016, 06:55:43 pm
Whatch if you lay bike down . When I went down  I went to hospital and friend road bike home . I get out of hospital  and road bike to town 15 miles  I stopped to eat and then started for dealer about 2 miles. Didn't make it  It started missing real bad the quit.  Dealer picked up  he played with it and next think I know he off on a test ride . He came back said fixed . I asked what was wrong He said he disconnected the cobra  She fired up and runs fine.  I can't afford another so I am running with out . Got the Popping exhaust back . Will just live with it I guess.

That sounds kinda fishy on the dealer side. Not sure how laying down the bike could effect the PP. The only way I can see is if a coil wire was ripped out/off. Or when laid down, the PP unit was somehow doused with water or fuel. The PP and all it's wiring are pretty much protected from being damaged from laying bike over. I would visually check as well as check continuity of the harness wires of the PP.