Dunlop: 250/40R/18 = 26.2 " tall Avon: 250/40R/18 = 25.8" tall Metzeler Does Not Make A 250/40R/18 Tire :-(
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I have always liked the Metz 240/40R/18 because it isn't as tall as the Dunlop but it looks like the Avon is even shorter. If I do go with a 250/40R/18 I will switch to the Avon since their 250 is the same height as the Metz 240. Another thing that would make me switch to a Avon is the tread is even thicker then the Metz and the Dunlop.
And there you have it. Swomack
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: firer8r on Dec 24, 2009, 01:53:06 pm
Good Info. for future reference. Thanks Swo!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: T-Bird on Dec 24, 2009, 03:46:42 pm
Thanks Scott. I'm kind of leaning towards the Avon 250 now.
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Post by: TRaider_John on Dec 24, 2009, 05:30:11 pm
_________________________________ Another thing that would make me switch to a Avon is the tread is even thicker then the Metz and the Dunlop.
Swomack
I do not have personal experience, but have been told that the Avon is a softer compound and wears faster. It may have a thicker tread but you'll get about the same mileage from it.
I been told. Now you've been told what I've been told.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: ssmittycool on Dec 24, 2009, 07:01:25 pm
I've got the Avon Venom 250/40-18 on my bike. I love it. I haven't had it on there long enough to know how good it wears though. There's pics in my photos.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: dejablu110 on Dec 24, 2009, 07:19:41 pm
ugh! I had it made up in my mind that I wasnt gonna get the 250 because I want to lower my bike and I do ride my 16 year old on the back. I was afraid it would rub ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: cornfed biker on Dec 24, 2009, 08:00:13 pm
I have also heard that the avon wears faster. Lets see what our people think.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: RedStar Raider on Dec 24, 2009, 08:36:25 pm
Dunlop: 250/40R/18 = 26.2 " tall Avon: 250/40R/18 = 25.8" tall Metzeler Does Not Make A 250/40R/18 Tire :-(
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I have always liked the Metz 240/40R/18 because it isn't as tall as the Dunlop but it looks like the Avon is even shorter. If I do go with a 250/40R/18 I will switch to the Avon since their 250 is the same height as the Metz 240. Another thing that would make me switch to a Avon is the tread is even thicker then the Metz and the Dunlop.
And there you have it. Swomack
Scott, had I known that I think i would have gotten the Avon 250, instead of the Avon 240
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Ace on Dec 24, 2009, 09:19:09 pm
I have also heard that the avon wears faster. Lets see what our people think.
I have read the same thing regarding tires for the warrior.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: seventhLetter on Mar 03, 2010, 02:10:23 pm
So if the Avon ends up wearing down about the same as the Metz 240, but has softer compound/thicker tread...would it be a "stickier tire"? That sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Capt_Zoom on Mar 03, 2010, 02:19:10 pm
I've got the same amount of miles on my Avon 240 that I had on my Metz 210 before making the switch. The wear on the Avon is significantly less and I was able to ride harder with it. Its stickier than the Metz which helps on the colder, wetter roads found here in MN. I can imagine though that the Avon might wear faster than a Metz on really hot survices like in AZ.
That said, I would still go with the AVOn hands down...to me it just corners smoother, and the grip is important to me up here where the metz felt like it was constantly slipping out. I also think that the AVon might be a bit more resistant to puctures becaust of the thicker tread. The tread patter is also the bomb!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Madcow on Mar 03, 2010, 02:38:22 pm
I just ordered my 250... !!! :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :rockon:
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Post by: dejablu110 on Mar 03, 2010, 07:16:56 pm
love it!!!
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Post by: Jraid on Mar 03, 2010, 09:32:11 pm
well being that my 300/35/18 will be here Friday...........does anyone know the height on this one? ???
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Post by: Mr. T on Mar 04, 2010, 07:04:26 am
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Jraid on Mar 04, 2010, 09:06:43 am
Thanks man....this helped clear things up alot
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Mar 04, 2010, 11:11:59 am
Since I'm running 8 1/2 Wide rear wheel, I plan on moving to the Metz 260 before (if I can still go) the next trip to Sturgis... The height difference will assist in Gas Mileage, and the wider track will look bad ass!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Motodad393 on Mar 04, 2010, 12:10:12 pm
I am currently on an Avon Cobra AV72 240 /R40 18. I have about 4,430 miles. It is wearing MUCH BETTER than my stock Metz 210 [I only got 5,100 miles] on it.
I then tried a Dunlop Elite III 240R/40/18. I got 7,100 miles on it. The Avon AV72 Cobra has 11.5/32nd of tread and is the 'hookingest" tire I have ever seen. I tend to be heavy on the fun factor [throttle] I run up the rpm and find it difficult to stay off the pipes.
Thus far, it is my opinion the Avon Cobra AV72 will outlast the Dunlop EliteIII 240. I am vigilent on keeping the rear tire pressure at 42 psi for single top riding. Do not ride two top. I run my front Avon AV71 bias ply tire at 38 psi.
I will let you know when the Avon Cobra AV72 wears out. I am looking for about 4K more miles!
I recommend the Avon AV72 Cobra - but that is just my humble experience. :raider:
Ride Safely "Motodad393"
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Raiderette on Mar 04, 2010, 12:10:38 pm
I vote to make this thread a STICKY!!!! O8O
If i go with the AVON 250 and I am at stock ride height, will I have to shave any bolts to avoid rubbing?
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Post by: Mr. T on Mar 04, 2010, 12:14:29 pm
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: RedStar Raider on Mar 04, 2010, 12:22:02 pm
A lot of great comments on this thread, i too, wore out the original tire rather quickly. I went to the Avon 240, and like it quite a bit. It does stick to the road, and wear better than stock. I'll go Avon 250 next time! :raider: :raider:
Title: My Cobra AV 72 240 / R40 18
Post by: Motodad393 on Mar 05, 2010, 04:15:55 pm
Last weekend I took a pic of the rear tire on my bike. I posted it in my Profile. It is the pic with the scribble marks on my plate. After reading this post and posting earlier I went and checked the actual miles on this tire thus far. I was very pleasantly suprised.
Earlier I reported around 3,500 miles so far. My apologies - I actually have 4,430 miles on this tire. This is incredible to me. I tend to have a heavy throttle hand and I like to stay on the pipes. It is my replacement for chocolate, sugar and such.
Just thought I would let you folks know. After this coming weekend [tomorrow] I will have another 600 more miles on it.
I am loving this Avon Tyre - Cobra AV72 240 more than I thought.
One other thing, I am riding more than I thought. Damn sure does not feel like it! ;D ;D :raider:
Please ride Safely MD393
Dallas area and back this Sat/Sun. O8O
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: bhodge on Mar 05, 2010, 10:56:58 pm
I had Avon's for about 1000 miles. Took them off and put MEtz back on! I hated the Avon's!
Title: Re: My Cobra AV 72 240 / R40 18
Post by: Rebal Dog on Mar 05, 2010, 11:36:48 pm
Last weekend I took a pic of the rear tire on my bike. I posted it in my Profile. It is the pic with the scribble marks on my plate. After reading this post and posting earlier I went and checked the actual miles on this tire thus far. I was very pleasantly suprised.
Earlier I reported around 3,500 miles so far. My apologies - I actually have 4,430 miles on this tire. This is incredible to me. I tend to have a heavy throttle hand and I like to stay on the pipes. It is my replacement for chocolate, sugar and such.
Just thought I would let you folks know. After this coming weekend [tomorrow] I will have another 600 more miles on it.
I am loving this Avon Tyre - Cobra AV72 240 more than I thought.
One other thing, I am riding more than I thought. Damn sure does not feel like it! ;D ;D :raider:
Please ride Safely MD393
Dallas area and back this Sat/Sun. O8O
I had Avons on my St-1300 when I bought it. That was the first thing I did was pull the Sneaker's
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: RedStar Raider on Mar 06, 2010, 12:57:21 am
I had Avon's for about 1000 miles. Took them off and put MEtz back on! I hated the Avon's!
Need more info, please list some of the reasons why, i'm only committed to mine until it wears out, if there is something better, i would like to read about it.
Rebel Dog, do you still have your ST? If i get another bike i'm thinking of a Kawi Coni or the ST. What are your thoughts on that bike, what year is/was yours? Any additional info would be appreciated.
RSR
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: ssmittycool on Mar 06, 2010, 07:31:58 am
I had Avon's for about 1000 miles. Took them off and put MEtz back on! I hated the Avon's!
What did you not like about the Avon? I have the Avon Venom 250 on mine and I love it! The reason nobody gets many miles out of the 240 metz is because it is too small for the power of the bike. I could white smoke the 240 metz, but the avon will just slip a little. With any tire, if you just poke around, you would probably get close to 9,000 miles on it.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Motodad393 on Mar 06, 2010, 08:00:53 am
Well, no Dallas this weekend. Will ride Houston area for two days. With respect to the 240's to me it is about tire life [miles]. My loyalty is to which tire provides the most miles for the way I ride. Thus far the Avon AV72 Cobra 240 is well in the lead - then again, the jury is still out. It is about TOTAL Miles for hand some would say is "heavy" when in actuality it is the Raider's fault ;)
The Dunlop Elite III 240 did give me 7,100 miles, but I expected more. It would be hard to convince me to try a Metz 240 at this point.
As with all tires it is the riders responsibility to be mindful of tire pressure and take care of them.
Ride Safely all and don't pick on the Harley's too much. :raider:
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: ssmittycool on Mar 06, 2010, 09:25:57 am
Well, no Dallas this weekend. Will ride Houston area for two days. With respect to the 240's to me it is about tire life [miles]. My loyalty is to which tire provides the most miles for the way I ride. Thus far the Avon AV72 Cobra 240 is well in the lead - then again, the jury is still out. It is about TOTAL Miles for hand some would say is "heavy" when in actuality it is the Raider's fault ;)
The Dunlop Elite III 240 did give me 7,100 miles, but I expected more. It would be hard to convince me to try a Metz 240 at this point.
As with all tires it is the riders responsibility to be mindful of tire pressure and take care of them.
Ride Safely all and don't pick on the Harley's too much. :raider:
+1!!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: lurch on Mar 08, 2010, 08:31:28 pm
With all the tire sizes and height discussed here I am assuming they fit on the stock rim???
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: ssmittycool on Mar 08, 2010, 08:44:07 pm
the 250 will, I know
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: lurch on Mar 09, 2010, 06:38:13 am
Has anyone had any rubbing from a larger tire the may have put on?
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Motodad393 on Mar 09, 2010, 08:14:31 am
Has anyone had any rubbing from a larger tire the may have put on?
The only rubbing I personally saw was when my friend had his Raider slammed and rode with a 240 Metz while riding two top. It rubbed then, not continuously but when he hit bumps, even small bumps.
Since then he has removed the slam kit and he now rides with an Avon AV72 Cobra 240/R40/18 and he recently put and Avon bias ply AV71 120/21 on the front.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Mar 09, 2010, 10:41:46 am
I had the same kind of rubbing Motodad393 described except mine's not lowered. It only happened with my 240 Dunlop E3. The fix was easy, just tighten up the spring a little. The Metz 240 has never rubbed!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: gostr8r on May 22, 2010, 10:50:07 am
I'm opening a whole new can of worms here! I'm leaning towards the Avon 240 Cobra's but has anyone thought about trying a 140mm wide front tire. Our rims are only the same width as our tires so the 240's fit nicely so maybe a 140 front would fit well too. The question is if the handling would be a problem. The unpopular Metzeler's are the ones that make it. I wanting more sidewall protection on my trip this summer, and no more chock gouges on my rims from the shop tech's that don't use softeners. Only had Met's on so far and am not terribly impressed with the grip or mileages, but still like the idea of the wider front tire a lot!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: gostr8r on May 22, 2010, 06:34:04 pm
Bump, someone chime in with a perspective. I value your input.
I'm opening a whole new can of worms here! I'm leaning towards the Avon 240 Cobra's but has anyone thought about trying a 140mm wide front tire. Our rims are only the same width as our tires so the 240's fit nicely so maybe a 140 front would fit well too. The question is if the handling would be a problem. The unpopular Metzeler's are the ones that make it. I wanting more sidewall protection on my trip this summer, and no more chock gouges on my rims from the shop tech's that don't use softeners. Only had Met's on so far and am not terribly impressed with the grip or mileages, but still like the idea of the wider front tire a lot!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: WilCon on May 22, 2010, 06:50:46 pm
I am on the fence on this one. More front tire contact patch is better, I worry that the handling would get heavier. The larger the width the more rolling resistance and the more centrifugal force generated. You would have to check clearance to the front fender as the overall tire diameter would be greater. I won't go so far as to call it a bad idea, I will say I personally wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: gostr8r on May 22, 2010, 08:38:33 pm
There will be about 2 to 3mm on each side between the sidewalls and the fender mount metal. It's hard for me to think that a mere 20mm would have too much of a negative effect on the steering in a lean or quick evasive moves. I could be off on this one tho. I just don't care for the Metz brand since my mileages are only so so, the stickiness is poor and the tread is reversed.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Milehighturbo on Jul 01, 2010, 11:19:38 pm
FYI the dunlop E III 250-40-18 is a BIG TIRE the clearance is VERY TIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
had to clearance the lower belt gaurd and the other side tire to swing arm is about an 1/8 of an inch!!!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: WilCon on Jul 02, 2010, 10:13:00 am
Never had to clearance anything with the Dunlop.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Milehighturbo on Jul 02, 2010, 12:14:02 pm
240 or 250??? this 250 is VERY CLOSE when i figure out how to post a pic i will do so.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: ssmittycool on Jul 03, 2010, 12:26:40 am
I've got the avon 250 on mine. It is close, but more like 1/4". Check out my pics for close-up.
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Post by: dejablu110 on Jul 04, 2010, 09:45:23 am
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Jul 04, 2010, 11:05:32 am
What's surpring to me is that the E3 seems wider as a 250 than the Avon and yet as a 240 it's the narrowist and tallest of the 3. Of course that's with only the 1 E3 reference where there are lots of 250 Avons.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: life begins @200MPH on Jul 14, 2010, 03:48:14 pm
does any body know the rear axle diameter with adding a wider tier there is more stress on the axle i whet from a 200 to a 250 Avon and bent the axle.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: dejablu110 on Jul 16, 2010, 06:02:30 pm
maybe brent can verify or deny here...but I heard some yamaha guys saying the raider should have a 240 but they were hoping to save money by putting the 210 on instead
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Jul 16, 2010, 09:17:13 pm
I can't say for certain Deja, but that sure sounds like some of the emails being sent around but when you Snope them they're total BS.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: RADGIRL09 on Jan 17, 2011, 07:51:18 pm
I just put the Avon 240 on my bike today. I got approx 8000 miles on the metzler tire. A friend referred me to the Avon 240 it looks really wicked on the bike, but...............to cold to ride right now to see how I like it. O8O
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: kronksworld on Mar 13, 2011, 08:08:36 pm
I'm new to the Forums, but I came here to gather info on a new rear tire. I bought my Raider end of October 2009 and I've put almost 11,000 miles on it. I've already gone through one tire and replaced it with the Metzler 210/40 that came with the bike after about 6,000 miles. It was worn down to almost no tread. The "new" tire is now starting to show signs of bad wear after 5,000 miles. I don't consider my self to be an aggresive driver and I don't burn outs or any thing like that.
From what I've read, I don't seem to be the only one to get a short life span out of the Metzler tire.
I want a tire that will last longer. From the recommendations everyone is posting, it seems that going with a 240/40 does the trick. I just want to confirm that this tire will fit on the stock rim with no modifications to the bike, doesn't rub or anything like that before I order one.
Any and all info is most appreciated.
thanks all.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Tail dragger on Mar 13, 2011, 09:12:57 pm
Just turned 7000 on my stock Metz 210 and it is definitely time for replacement. I'm ordering the Avon 240 tomorrow. Hope to get more miles out of it and from what I hear, better traction as well. Try not to ride in the wet any more than I have to, but when I do like to feel I've got something under me. Getting too old and heal to slow to not be upright.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Mar 14, 2011, 12:23:54 am
Welcome to the Forum RADGIRL09 and kronksworld!
The Avon Cobra 240 is by far the most popular tire on this board. I can't say how well they wear because I have not wore mine out yet. Most of us really like the handling.
The Dunlop 240 E3 lasts longer than the 210/240 Metz. It's also alot cheaper. You can get them for around $150 vs $200+ for the Avon & Metz.
The 240's of all 3 mfr's listed will fit with no mod. The E3 will rub your fender on hard bumps if you're riding real heavy and the spring is set too soft. Just tighten it up a little.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: kronksworld on Mar 14, 2011, 08:08:28 am
Thanks for the great info lost dog.
It seems a lot of people's favorite is the Avon. Any particular reason? Also what is it about the Dunlops that cause them to rub vs the other mnfctrs?
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: cdnraider09 on Mar 14, 2011, 08:11:47 am
I believe the dunlop is slightly taller then the rest.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Mar 14, 2011, 11:45:13 am
It is the tallest of the 3. I doubt many have ever had it rub because me & the wife are a heluva load. :rolleyes:
IMO the Avon Cobra is the best looking tire and alot of us think it's the best handling too. I can't wait to see if it'll out last the E3. If it does it'll be a Grand Slam IMO.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: ernie on Jul 03, 2011, 02:29:15 pm
I'm new to the Forums, but I came here to gather info on a new rear tire. I bought my Raider end of October 2009 and I've put almost 11,000 miles on it. I've already gone through one tire and replaced it with the Metzler 210/40 that came with the bike after about 6,000 miles. It was worn down to almost no tread. The "new" tire is now starting to show signs of bad wear after 5,000 miles. I don't consider my self to be an aggresive driver and I don't burn outs or any thing like that.
From what I've read, I don't seem to be the only one to get a short life span out of the Metzler tire.
I want a tire that will last longer. From the recommendations everyone is posting, it seems that going with a 240/40 does the trick. I just want to confirm that this tire will fit on the stock rim with no modifications to the bike, doesn't rub or anything like that before I order one.
Any and all info is most appreciated.
thanks all.
The Dunlop Elite 3 240/40/18 fits with room to spare, no mods or adjustments needed.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Jul 05, 2011, 12:02:56 pm
A Dunlop 250 on an 8.5" RC Components Wheel leaves me about 1/16" between the belt and the tire... I also have to shave the tire a bit on the right side to clear the swingarm. It fills the rear fender more than any other combination from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Roadstrat on Jul 11, 2011, 11:18:13 pm
I just ordered the Avon 240 and 120 front today as well as the lowering links from Barons. No spring. It drops the bike 1 and 3/4in. Will i have a problem with the stock fender setup rubbing. I ride 1 up and weigh maybe 185.
Bought the Avons cause i had them on my R* and liked them.
Greg p.s. will i need to order the shorty kickstand?
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Jul 23, 2011, 01:43:02 pm
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Tail dragger on Jul 23, 2011, 01:56:55 pm
Think you will like the Avon's on your Raider as well. Super tires.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Jul 23, 2011, 02:02:13 pm
I love Avon tires... in fact, I run an Avon on the front, but the rear pricing is just too steep for the kind of miles that i put on. This is what ... rear tire #7 perhaps? I've got 51,000 miles on this bike.
Think you will like the Avon's on your Raider as well. Super tires.
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Post by: strike 3 on Aug 13, 2011, 08:14:33 pm
good stuff!
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Post by: dejablu110 on Aug 14, 2011, 08:29:45 am
Duuuuude!! I have over 14,000 miles on my Avon 250.....venom, it is finally starting to wear, after my trip to Johnson City and back.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Aug 14, 2011, 05:12:05 pm
I hate to say it but I doubt you could get that kind of mileage here because of the way they love petting gravel on top of the asphalt for wet weather traction. It really eats tires. :-\
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Aug 15, 2011, 10:31:43 pm
I'd agree... also depends on how much new concrete ya ride on... THe newer the concrete, the grittier the surface, like riding on sandpaper. It can really take it's toll. Smooth asphalt rules!
I hate to say it but I doubt you could get that kind of mileage here because of the way they love petting gravel on top of the asphalt for wet weather traction. It really eats tires. :-\
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Frank72086 on Aug 18, 2011, 12:13:59 pm
Any issues with mix/matching tires? Unfortunately I need new tires but cant afford too much... I know I know, tires is not somewhere u wanna pinch pennies but I dont have much of a choice at this point.. I found a 240 Dunlop elite 3 for $153 shipped which is a great deal IMO.. As for the front I found a shinko 005 tire for $80 shipped.. That puts the set at $253 minus mounting.. Does anyone have any experience advice for this brand of tire (shinko)? I wish I could get a set of Avon as they seem to be the favorite
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LostDog on Aug 18, 2011, 10:20:43 pm
I've mix/matched the front stock Metz w/ rear 240 E3, and front Avon Cobra w/ an E3, with no problems.
FYI the front comes from Yami as a bias ply with the rear as a radial....js. That's why I never ran an E3 on the front because they only come as a radial.
There've been a few that've run radial on the front but I don't know how happy they've been with them.
No experience with Shinko.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Frank72086 on Aug 18, 2011, 10:38:06 pm
Thanks for the input Lostdog... Ima have to research the shinko to see if it's a radial or bias ply
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: NorthTxRaider on Aug 19, 2011, 07:20:26 pm
Same here... although I prefer a stickier front than Dunlop is known for... I'm running hte Avon on the front at this time, with the Dunlop E3 250 rear
I've mix/matched the front stock Metz w/ rear 240 E3, and front Avon Cobra w/ an E3, with no problems.
FYI the front comes from Yami as a bias ply with the rear as a radial....js. That's why I never ran an E3 on the front because they only come as a radial.
There've been a few that've run radial on the front but I don't know how happy they've been with them.
No experience with Shinko.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: corvettetech9825 on Jan 04, 2012, 06:15:57 pm
i got 6,300 miles out of my metzler 210 with the left side of the tread down to a slick and the right side of the tread with 3/32 remaining. I ordered the same tire only because i found one for 99$ otherwise i would definitly go with avon. I just have to make up my mind on 240 or 250 i ride 2 up alot and my front and rear is lowered. But i have another 6,000 miles to figure it out. There is alot of good info in this thred thanks everyone!!!! :notworthy: :yay: :notworthy: :yay: :thewave:
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Like A Fawkes on May 14, 2012, 12:39:46 am
I just ordered my Cobra 240 because of this thread. Good lookin out fellas!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Dshrek49 on Aug 14, 2013, 08:29:16 pm
Just thought I would add this information regarding the Cobra front tire. According to Avon Technical the Cobra AV71 120/7021* is a cross ply tire similar to a bias ply. It is not a radial for those of you who want to keep a matched set of tire treads, that is mixed bias up front and radial rear.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Tail dragger on Mar 30, 2014, 11:56:16 am
I had to purchase a Dunlop III a couple of years ago when I had a blowout (No one had an Avon 240). When they brought it out, they had a 250 Dunlop instead of a 240. Looking at it you would never have thought that tire would go on a Raider...but know lots of guys run them. Couldn't believe how big it looked and neither could the folks at the dealership. They didn't think the 240 would fit either, but had to tell them that lots of folks were running them without any problems.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: matj1990 on Mar 30, 2014, 12:06:46 pm
The 250 e3 will fit without any issues. I'm 280lbs wife's about 200 I run with the shock maxed out never bottomed out but concerns me with running a bigger tire. ?
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Tail dragger on Mar 30, 2014, 12:25:23 pm
I recall several years ago that one of the 250's needed to be "shaved" just a bit to keep from rubbing. Thought it was the Dunlop but apparently not. I actually picked the Avon 240 because of the tread depth over the 250 wanting better mileage out of it. Wasn't disappointed.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: matj1990 on Mar 30, 2014, 12:56:43 pm
So looking into 240s I see there's also the option of Dunlop q3 and pirelly diablo? Why have I not seen or heard of anyone running these ? They are more designed for sport/touring but still ? Looking at the Avon 240 but its 5lbs heavier that's a decent amount of rotating mass to add. However the q3 is same weight as stock 210 Metz ? https://m.denniskirk.com/search/tires-motorcycle-and-dirt-bike/2:74-95:5667-126:9979.attrs
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: RedLineRick on Mar 30, 2014, 01:16:22 pm
So looking into 240s I see there's also the option of Dunlop q3 and pirelly diablo? Why have I not seen or heard of anyone running these ? They are more designed for sport/touring but still ? Looking at the Avon 240 but its 5lbs heavier that's a decent amount of rotating mass to add. However the q3 is same weight as stock 210 Metz ? https://m.denniskirk.com/search/tires-motorcycle-and-dirt-bike/2:74-95:5667-126:9979.attrs
I ran one Diablo and barely got 4k out of it. It's a sticky tire with a soft compound so it wears fast.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Tail dragger on Mar 30, 2014, 04:49:42 pm
So looking into 240s I see there's also the option of Dunlop q3 and pirelly diablo? Why have I not seen or heard of anyone running these ? They are more designed for sport/touring but still ? Looking at the Avon 240 but its 5lbs heavier that's a decent amount of rotating mass to add. However the q3 is same weight as stock 210 Metz ? https://m.denniskirk.com/search/tires-motorcycle-and-dirt-bike/2:74-95:5667-126:9979.attrs
I ran one Diablo and barely got 4k out of it. It's a sticky tire with a soft compound so it wears fast.
I think one of the big reasons is that when you find something that works (and works well) you hate to go to something that won't. Several of us are trying the Michelin Commander III as it is supposed to be a really high mileage tire, but no one knows how it will work on the Raider yet. So far the king of tires has been the Avon Cobra 240.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: SilverStar on Apr 09, 2014, 09:14:03 pm
I measured my Pirelli Night Dragon tonight. when I have more tim I'll try for a more accurate measurement, but on the 7.5" stock rim it looks like it's 25.5 inches tall. This one has about 1700 miles. According to https://www.denniskirk.com/pirelli/rear-night-dragon-240-40zr-18-blackwall-tire.p543692.prd/543692.sku the deepest new tread depth is 8/32. It now measures 6/32 in the deepest treads I could find. I wish I had measured it new but it never occurred to me. If that's accurate it should be bald at around 6800 miles, if it wears at the same rate. Now, I don't baby the bike, but I've never done any burnouts or locked the rear brake. On bumps I often hear a chirp, but I don't know if that's the tire or the belt. On the whole I'm happy with it, but if those numbers are accurate I'm not overly impressed by the expected durability. So far my only real complaint is that it gets slick under 40F. I can't help but think my next one will be the Avon.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Pep on Apr 16, 2014, 06:33:19 am
You may want to check the tread depth on the Avon 240 as compared to the Avon 250. In most cases as the width of the tire goes up the tread depth decreases. I know that's the case with Metzeler and Dunlop.
Dunlop: 250/40R/18 = 26.2 " tall Avon: 250/40R/18 = 25.8" tall Metzeler Does Not Make A 250/40R/18 Tire :-(
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I have always liked the Metz 240/40R/18 because it isn't as tall as the Dunlop but it looks like the Avon is even shorter. If I do go with a 250/40R/18 I will switch to the Avon since their 250 is the same height as the Metz 240. Another thing that would make me switch to a Avon is the tread is even thicker then the Metz and the Dunlop.
And there you have it. Swomack
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Apr 16, 2014, 07:01:36 am
You may want to check the tread depth on the Avon 240 as compared to the Avon 250. In most cases as the width of the tire goes up the tread depth decreases. I know that's the case with Metzeler and Dunlop.
Dunlop: 250/40R/18 = 26.2 " tall Avon: 250/40R/18 = 25.8" tall Metzeler Does Not Make A 250/40R/18 Tire :-(
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I have always liked the Metz 240/40R/18 because it isn't as tall as the Dunlop but it looks like the Avon is even shorter. If I do go with a 250/40R/18 I will switch to the Avon since their 250 is the same height as the Metz 240. Another thing that would make me switch to a Avon is the tread is even thicker then the Metz and the Dunlop.
And there you have it. Swomack
You are correct, the thread depth of the Avon 240 is deeper than the thread depth of the 250.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: LoganRaider on Apr 19, 2014, 03:07:38 pm
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Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: RETiRED raider rider on Sep 24, 2015, 10:02:01 pm
Just got the Avon 240 mounted with the counter act beads installed on an 8 inch s,c,l, wheel, it was close but it fit with about a quarter inch clearance, didn't notice much difference riding around town with the beads but it made a huge difference on the interstate ŕeally smooth, so much so that it amazed me those little beads do exactly what they claim, 13000 miles on the 210 s and the tech said I had an easy 6 or 800 miles left if I wanted to push it, but this way come spring I can just jump on it and ride. As a side note, me and a buddy, he on an 1100 yamaha bagger did a ride thru the Berkshire of western mass, lots of speed traps so we did the speed limit most of the way, just enjoying the day and we both got 54 m.p.g. pretty amazing for a big v twin I would say,
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: 182PC on Feb 14, 2017, 06:46:55 am
Any problems putting a 240 on stock rims? I am trying to decide what brand. Need to change the front also.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Clayton on Feb 14, 2017, 08:21:48 am
Any problems putting a 240 on stock rims? I am trying to decide what brand. Need to change the front also.
No problems at all. 100's of raiders running them
What he said. As far as brand, Avon Cobra's seem to be the tire of choice for most. I'm definitely happy with mine.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: dukedomain on Mar 25, 2017, 07:16:06 pm
So I messed up and ordered a 250 instead of a 240. I decided to keep the 250 and ordered the 240 because it was priced so good. I'm gonna mount the 250 and try to wear it out before SERR then mount the new 240.
Anyway I've had a chance to look at both side by side. The 250 is noticeably wider, by almost half inch. The 240, surprisingly to me was taller, by almost a quarter inch. I didn't weigh them but the 240 feels heavier. I don't have a tread depth gauge but the Tread is definately deeper on the 240.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: dukedomain on Mar 25, 2017, 07:19:13 pm
The 240 measured 9.5 inches wide and 250 measured 9.9 inches edge to edge
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Zxdave on Mar 25, 2017, 08:38:58 pm
Damn Ted that's def a good difference ! do some measurement comparisons of the two after they are mounted !!
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: dukedomain on Mar 25, 2017, 08:42:55 pm
Yeah I think I'm gonna do that. I suppose the dims will change somewhat after getting squeezed on the rim.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: dukedomain on Mar 25, 2017, 08:44:27 pm
Dave I'll let you know when I get the tire mounted and the Metz will be on its way to you.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Zxdave on Mar 25, 2017, 08:57:53 pm
Thanks, 250 Avon for me soon as this factory tire is worn out.
240 is gunna have more thread depth than a 250.
Yes, the 240 will give you considerably more mileage than the 250.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Karasu on Jun 16, 2019, 09:39:33 am
I tried the search function and didn't find anything.
Does anyone have the OD for the OEM Metzeler me880 (210 40r18). I hit their website and didn't find any specs. Just wondering how much bigger the 240s are than the stock tire as I'm kicking around lowering my Raider with an adjustable kit.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: TTE on Jun 16, 2019, 11:59:06 am
I tried the search function and didn't find anything.
Does anyone have the OD for the OEM Metzeler me880 (210 40r18). I hit their website and didn't find any specs. Just wondering how much bigger the 240s are than the stock tire as I'm kicking around lowering my Raider with an adjustable kit.
https://tiresize.com/comparison/
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Fiddles on Jun 16, 2019, 12:55:28 pm
I tried the search function and didn't find anything.
Does anyone have the OD for the OEM Metzeler me880 (210 40r18). I hit their website and didn't find any specs. Just wondering how much bigger the 240s are than the stock tire as I'm kicking around lowering my Raider with an adjustable kit.
https://tiresize.com/comparison/
you won't have any problems i have pcs bones and progressive spring and have done 2up no problems
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Karasu on Jun 18, 2019, 03:56:08 pm
Thanks. I understand it wouldn't be a problem. I asked because I hoped to use an adjustable kit and simply lower the bike the same amount I gained in tire height or a little more. I think about an inch will do.
In any event, much of the info here has changed. Many of the tires are changing Metz 880 is now the 888 ultra. The Avon Cobra is now the Cobra Chrome, etc. I wonder if anyone has mounted any of the newer offerings, and if so wondering if the dimensions are the exact same.
Title: Re: Tire Dims
Post by: Zxdave on Jun 18, 2019, 06:28:27 pm
Thanks. I understand it wouldn't be a problem. I asked because I hoped to use an adjustable kit and simply lower the bike the same amount I gained in tire height or a little more. I think about an inch will do.
In any event, much of the info here has changed. Many of the tires are changing Metz 880 is now the 888 ultra. The Avon Cobra is now the Cobra Chrome, etc. I wonder if anyone has mounted any of the newer offerings, and if so wondering if the dimensions are the exact same.
You can adjust your preload some and get a little drop in the rear .