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Title: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Adan on Feb 01, 2010, 06:39:05 am
Thanks Madcow for suggesting a new thread before it got lost within the lifter thread.  :)

My Raider started making a new sound at the 3k mile mark. On MLK day I took it out for a brief 200 mile ride around San Antonio and other neighboring cities, came home garaged it, it sounded fine idling in the garage before I turned it off. On that Saturday when I went for a group ride, it started up normally, and within 20 seconds, I did not hear a "knocking" sound but almost a "whining" sound, it'd stop for a few seconds, and whine again and I noticed each time it'd "whine" the blinkers would start to flicker.

I took it to Kent's Powersports @ Yamaha on IH35, and none of the service people have heard that sound on a Raider before, and at the time all were dumbfounded on what it could be, at first one of the service guys tried to blame it on my Airspike, I just blinked at him and said it's just for show and told him about the airbox, and I got another dumbfound look then told him I've had the spike now for 4 months with no incident.

After 3 days at the shop, I get a call saying it's the "Starter clutch" they ordered me the parts and they'll call me once it's ready. The guy didn't sound to sure of himself when I started questioning him about starter clutches and why would that effect electrical when it has to do with keeping the RPM's undercontrol.

I donno, I'm upset but it's under warranty. I do have an AVI file I recorded on my camera that captured the "whining" and flickering. Once I figure out how to convert it to a file less than 70mbs I'll repost so Yall can take a listen and look.

Was able to upload the Vid onto Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVYBnt8mEG0
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Ro-NTX on Feb 01, 2010, 07:12:03 am
this is weird,  especially those lights flickering too.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: TRaider_John on Feb 01, 2010, 11:32:33 am
Alternator. Replace the alternator. 
I had the same sound on my 'liner when I had the turn signals on.  It comes from the alternator.  Betcha!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 01, 2010, 12:20:06 pm
No, it's definitely the air spike, that's why I've never installed one. It directly relates to the noise and the blinker systems. Yamaha won't stand behind them if you put one of those spikes on. OK ok B.S. Can you believe that someone at a Yamaha dealership who works on bikes for a living would actually say something like that?! At first it may sound funny, but when you think about it, it's not. I would go with TR John on this one, makes the most sense to me, and he has had the experience of it happening to him. Let us know the outcome, when they find it, it's part of what makes this forum so good.  :raider:
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: renhalt on Feb 01, 2010, 03:33:15 pm
Alternator, I had a starter clutch go out on a vstar 1100 and it sounds nothing like that. By the way the vstar 1100's are notorious for bad starter clutches and Yamaha will not cover it and it is a $750.00 repair. Yamaha told us it is caused by giving the bike throttle while trying to start it, sounds like BS to me. But what do we know, we just buy the bikes and ride them HUH! If I were to guess, I would agree with the alternator. Keep us posted as to what the out come is and good luck.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: JRW09Raider on Feb 01, 2010, 03:49:03 pm
if i were a bettn man i'd say alternator....i've worked on vehicles that had a similar sound when the alternator was takn a dump....bad brushes...bearings shot....etc......i know its not a car....but it sure sounds dang close.....but i dunno...that spike could definately cause that.......HA....if some tech told me that crap i'd of probabaly pissed my pants in laughter!!!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Budzo on Feb 01, 2010, 03:56:13 pm
Why wasn't your headlight on?  Replace your headlight bulb!!!  All Raiders will make that noise if you run it without the  headlight installed.  I don't know why, but the electrical schematics on these bikes will make you scratch your heads.  Any Warrior owners familiar with the "click of death"?  I think that noise is the decompression solenoid going goofy without the drawing voltage of the headlight.  Or something related to the relay that keeps the headlight off while the decompression solenoid is doing it's thing at start up, or it's the alternator.

All I know for sure, my bike makes that same noise when I run it without the headlight plugged in!!!!!

Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: BIGdaddy03 aka THE K-9 SLAYER on Feb 01, 2010, 04:19:28 pm
WELL..... my bike does the same thing when it's cold out (under 55 degrees ) and battery is weak, after the engine warms a little and the battery comes up it stops.  i know it ain't the spike cause i don't have 1 !    :D     note: i have never noticed it doing it when it's warm out and battery weak, nor does it do it when the battery is charged when it's cold.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: T-Bird on Feb 01, 2010, 05:26:39 pm
Well, your blinkers are acting up because the blinker fluid is probably low and it'll start to whine when the horn belt gets stretched out.


If I had a service tech tell me it was probably the "non-functioning" air spike, I'd find a different shop PRONTO!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Mr. T on Feb 01, 2010, 05:31:09 pm
I think this is easily fixed... The SAC on the right side is throwing the fluid level in the blinkers.  Add yet another SAC to the left side for counterbalance.    ;D
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Ro-NTX on Feb 01, 2010, 05:45:15 pm
 :rotfl: you guy's crack me up
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 01, 2010, 05:57:23 pm
I think this is easily fixed... The SAC on the right side is throwing the fluid level in the blinkers.  Add yet another SAC to the left side for counterbalance.    ;D
T! I think you on to something here......counterbalance with another SAC...on the left side......I think thats it!!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Madcow on Feb 02, 2010, 06:12:38 am
R D R D RRRR..  :wtf: yall are nutz..! Sounds like the alternator to me too. I would think you could put a voltage tester on the accessory plug while running, to check voltage?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Adan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:43:42 pm
The dealership replaced the starter clutch, low and behold the sound remains. I then spoke of the alternator, which he corrected me saying "generator" to check the voltage, he gave me his thanks, and said he'll relay that to his floor manager, and they'll call me. /shrugs

Hopefully someone will check the alternator. I am still Raiderless, and this Saturday looks to be the only day there is to be no rain, at San Antonio. /sighs
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Budzo on Feb 02, 2010, 05:48:56 pm
Adan,

When I watched your video on Youtube, I noticed your headlight was not on while the bike was running.  This is not right.  Your headlight should be on.  Please call your shop and have them verify if the headlight is on while your bike is running.  The sound your hearing occurs when the bike is running without the headlight drawing power.  Trust me.

If anyone else would like to hear this sound first hand, unplug your headlight and start your bike.

Rich.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: T-Bird on Feb 02, 2010, 06:30:31 pm
"Why" isn't your headlight on? I can't just turn mine off without turning off the key.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Budzo on Feb 02, 2010, 06:32:52 pm
"Why" isn't your headlight on? I can't just turn mine off without turning off the key.

His bulb is burnt out?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 02, 2010, 06:37:34 pm
"Why" isn't your headlight on? I can't just turn mine off without turning off the key.

His bulb is burnt out?
Are you saying that his bike makes this noise because the headlight is burned out?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Budzo on Feb 02, 2010, 06:39:06 pm
"Why" isn't your headlight on? I can't just turn mine off without turning off the key.

His bulb is burnt out?
Are you saying that his bike makes this noise because the headlight is burned out?

Yes.  Give it a try.  Unplug your headlight and start your bike.  The infamous noise will soon follow.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Budzo on Feb 02, 2010, 06:41:29 pm
"Why" isn't your headlight on? I can't just turn mine off without turning off the key.

His bulb is burnt out?
Are you saying that his bike makes this noise because the headlight is burned out?

Yes.  Give it a try.  Unplug your headlight and start your bike.  The infamous noise will soon follow.

I can't say for sure his headlight is burnt out.  But the headlight circuit is not being completed for some reason.  The noise can be duplicated by running the bike without the headlight plugged in.   
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: T-Bird on Feb 02, 2010, 06:58:27 pm
Thank you for the information. I'll know what to look for if mine starts making that noise. I'd still like to know why his headlight isn't on though. I guess I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Adan on Feb 03, 2010, 08:42:13 pm
Thank you Rich, for that bit of information, first thing tomorrow morning I will call them up and let them know, and see what happens from there.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: 09raiderrider on Feb 03, 2010, 09:01:07 pm
I started getting the same noise when i put my H.I.D headlight kit in.If thats the cause of it I wouldnt be suprised.As soon as i get a little bit of time,I'll put my stock headlight bulb in and start the bike and see if the noise persists......
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: bhodge on Feb 03, 2010, 10:07:41 pm
I can't beleive they have never heard of it!  I have the questions asked 3 times a week.  Budzo is correct about unplugging the headlight.  If you add anything to your electrical system it will do it.  Our shop was one of the first back in 07 working on resolving this issue for Yamaha.  We have tried everything, but it boils down to the stator and how sensitive the charging system is.  Once I added my HID, it does it.  It does not hurt anything, we have pulled the stator out to check for "wear" on bikes with 30,000 miles and no issues.  I could go on for days on this issue.  Go pick up your bike and ride it, no worries.  If you have any questions, please feel free to call or email me.  If your dealer would have called the tech line, they would have told them it was not the starter clutch!LOL!

Brent
[email protected]
281-426-8591
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: SWomack on Feb 03, 2010, 10:33:18 pm
Once again Brent stepping up to the plate.
Swomack
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 03, 2010, 10:39:39 pm
Once again Brent stepping up to the plate.
Swomack
SWUNG ON AND BELTED DEEP TO CENTER FIELD, BACK, BACK, BACK, FLY AWAY BASEBALL, ITS OUTTA HERE, ANOTHER HOMERUN HODGES!!!  :yay: :yay: :thewave: :thewave: :yay: :yay:
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: bhodge on Feb 03, 2010, 11:02:15 pm
The TSB is M2009-025.  See if you can read this link (page2):

https://www.yamaha-dealers.com/secured/technicalPublications/982285983036b49c738ce0951290db57/4b6a53cb/technicalBulletins/M2009-025.PDF

If you can't, contact me.

Brent
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Madcow on Feb 04, 2010, 06:32:45 am
Ok.. this looks like a HOW TOO prevention thread. Maybe a stickie?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Adan on Feb 05, 2010, 06:47:21 pm
The Raider has been resolved! Indeed it was the headlight. They gave me some story about calling Yamaha, and they told them what's up. He said that due to my "LEDS" and the incomplete circuit that the lode, was too much causing the sound, they stuck a stock bulb in, and now no more sound. I sure am glad someone called whatever number, because when I told a service guy about the headlight on Thursday, he sort of chuckled at me, saying that it was proabably the "Dampner".

 Thank you all for the trouble shooting and suggestions, much love to my Raider family.

The updated vid of the bike purring like a tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAPtbZJU9r8
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Mr. T on Feb 05, 2010, 06:55:28 pm
The Raider has been resolved! Indeed it was the headlight. They gave me some story about calling Yamaha, and they told them what's up. He said that due to my "LEDS" and the incomplete circuit that the lode, was too much causing the sound, they stuck a stock bulb in, and now no more sound. I sure am glad someone called whatever number, because when I told a service guy about the headlight on Thursday, he sort of chuckled at me, saying that it was proabably the "Dampner".

 Thank you all for the trouble shooting and suggestions, much love to my Raider family.

The updated vid of the bike purring like a tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAPtbZJU9r8


Glad it's been resolved...  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: SWomack on Feb 05, 2010, 06:59:55 pm
Great news
What T said
Swomack
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 05, 2010, 07:12:54 pm
The bike sounds good, just like a Raider should!!! I'm glad it was an easy cheap fix!!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: T-Bird on Feb 05, 2010, 09:36:47 pm
Glad yer up and running the way you're supposed to be. Too bad you had to deal with the guys that thought it was your "Spike Air Cleaner" though.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Budzo on Feb 05, 2010, 09:48:27 pm
Good to hear problem is solved.  Hopefully they didn't charge you too much for being dumbasses :D
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: TRaider_John on Feb 05, 2010, 09:50:15 pm
Who would thunk it?  Glad you are back to "normal".  This is one of those threads that makes me glad this forum is here and as active as it is.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Defender Bob on Feb 27, 2010, 07:52:22 am
Glad to hear you got everything straight.  I would have never though of that.  I was bored this past weekend and turned my light switch off, and low and behold I got the same noise!  LOL
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: FIREMAN on Feb 27, 2010, 11:09:43 pm
 your dealer would have called the tech line, they would have told them it was not the starter clutch!LOL!
brent they need a hat,mayby a yamaha star hat    (mite wake;m up)some-dealers are dence.
Brent
[email protected]
281-426-8591
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Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Feb 28, 2010, 02:26:19 am
Who would thunk it?  Glad you are back to "normal".  This is one of those threads that makes me glad this forum is here and as active as it is.
+1
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Veper on Feb 28, 2010, 05:41:17 pm
Glad you got your isue resolved, I ran into the same problem with my headlight when i was playing with my Healight Bulb.

I have this question, did i understand u guys about that Installing the HID kit i would run into the Same Problem again with the sound?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Rebal Dog on Mar 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am
You mean to tell me if I put in a Quartz bulb in the H.L. it will make noise.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RedStar Raider on Mar 06, 2010, 12:51:28 am
You mean to tell me if I put in a Quartz bulb in the H.L. it will make noise.
I won't tell you that.  ;D  Honestly I don't know first hand, but if these say this, it is probably correct, you can always check with Brent yourself to be sure.


RSR
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Defender Bob on Mar 15, 2010, 08:09:07 pm
I have this question, did i understand u guys about that Installing the HID kit i would run into the Same Problem again with the sound?

I didnt have any problems with mine after I installed the HID kit.  I only run the single beam kit, so when I move my light switch to "high beams" there is no light.  I get the noise then.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: SILVERSTAR59 on May 09, 2010, 04:51:03 pm
SAME HERE . I ;VE GOT THE SAME NOISE, HEAD LIGHT IS UN PLUGGED BECAUSE I AM
PAINTING THE BUCKET ALSO ENGINE LIGHT IS ON ,,HOPE IT GOES AWAY ,, ALL THIS AFTER INSTALLING DRAG BARS
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: no on Aug 31, 2010, 12:25:26 am
WOW, I would 1. chew that shops ass in a major way seriously if you don't know what the problem is you test you don't just start throwing parts at it period. 2. I would NEVER return to that shop ever again, it's pretty bad when the customer is having to tell the "tech" what is actually wrong with the bike. Glad you got her fixed though.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Diabolik on Sep 06, 2010, 06:06:43 pm
so, if changin to a different bulb will cause this noise?....is there any fix for it? or do you just have to be annoyed to death by it?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: bhodge on Sep 06, 2010, 10:46:48 pm
Load equilizers can be used and hidden under the tank or seat.


Brent
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Tail dragger on Dec 11, 2010, 08:28:44 am
I installed a Diamond Star Headlight Modulator and get the noise when I first pull out of the garage and the modulator kicks in.  Doesn't do it at start up in the garage (darker there and the eye reverts it back to the standard mode).  Once I get underway, doesn't seem to make any noise.  Thought at first it might be that the battery is slightly down, but even does it when I've had it on the battery tender.  Just one of those things I guess. 
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: msoos113 on Dec 11, 2010, 10:29:55 am
I upgraded to a PIAA bulb putting out almost double of the stock bulb with absolutely no noise. Have plenty of LEDs and Kuryakyn driving lights on mine as well, all with no noise.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: bhodge on Dec 11, 2010, 01:01:30 pm
I upgraded to a PIAA bulb putting out almost double of the stock bulb with absolutely no noise. Have plenty of LEDs and Kuryakyn driving lights on mine as well, all with no noise.  :shrug:

It comes from not enough load, not too much...By removing all of the blinkers and replacing them with integrated LED, you lessen the load.

Brent
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Rick Busbea on Dec 14, 2010, 11:12:18 pm
I can attest to the sound being directly related to an electrical issue and not mechanical. I blew a fuse and about 2 minutes later, the starter clutch starting making strange noises. Replaced the fuse and the noise stopped (headlight was inop at the time).
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: TRaider_John on Dec 15, 2010, 02:32:46 am
I can attest to the sound being directly related to an electrical issue and not mechanical. I blew a fuse and about 2 minutes later, the starter clutch starting making strange noises. Replaced the fuse and the noise stopped (headlight was inop at the time).
Was it the starter clutch?  I thought we had determined it was the generator.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RiotRaider on Dec 20, 2010, 11:15:30 pm
Alternator. Replace the alternator. 
I had the same sound on my 'liner when I had the turn signals on.  It comes from the alternator.  Betcha!

i was gonna say the same thing because of the lights...
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: RiotRaider on Dec 20, 2010, 11:20:56 pm
I can't beleive they have never heard of it!  I have the questions asked 3 times a week.  Budzo is correct about unplugging the headlight.  If you add anything to your electrical system it will do it.  Our shop was one of the first back in 07 working on resolving this issue for Yamaha.  We have tried everything, but it boils down to the stator and how sensitive the charging system is.  Once I added my HID, it does it.  It does not hurt anything, we have pulled the stator out to check for "wear" on bikes with 30,000 miles and no issues.  I could go on for days on this issue.  Go pick up your bike and ride it, no worries.  If you have any questions, please feel free to call or email me.  If your dealer would have called the tech line, they would have told them it was not the starter clutch!LOL!

Brent
[email protected]
281-426-8591

no worries ??? no offense to the owner but it sounds like shit...i wouldnt just ride like that
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: bhodge on Jan 05, 2011, 10:06:40 pm

no worries ??? no offense to the owner but it sounds like shit...i wouldnt just ride like that
[/quote]

If you leave your bike stock, you will not have this issue.  So the question is, do you want HID, LEDs, or light modulators? If that is the case, then that is a trait of this charging system.  Yamaha will not warranty something if it works as they designed it to work.  If you modify the bike and it causes something to change other than the way it was designed from the factory, you may have to live with the consequences....
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Stigmata on May 25, 2012, 10:12:18 am
Well, your blinkers are acting up because the blinker fluid is probably low and it'll start to whine when the horn belt gets stretched out.


If I had a service tech tell me it was probably the "non-functioning" air spike, I'd find a different shop PRONTO!

LMAO!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Chance13 on Jun 26, 2012, 09:30:53 am
And around we gooooooo....... O8O
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Raidercruz on Jul 02, 2014, 12:36:01 am
When I  had my tank off for paint I had that same whining sound. I had disconnected the headlight connector under the tank and headlight
was off. Once I plugged it back in the sound stopped.

 Raidercruz
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Ron505 on Jul 02, 2014, 06:47:17 am
...back from the dead....lol, just playin.
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Stevemo57 on Aug 17, 2016, 08:12:46 pm
 I know this is an old post but wanted to put my two cents in. The headlight theory kind of makes sense, I just put an LED headlight in and my noise started. Going to switch back and see what happens. Is there and "fix" in order to run the LED headlight?
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: ROADKILL on Aug 17, 2016, 08:17:17 pm
I know this is an old post but wanted to put my two cents in. The headlight theory kind of makes sense, I just put an LED headlight in and my noise started. Going to switch back and see what happens. Is there and "fix" in order to run the LED headlight?
Add a load resistor
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: Stevemo57 on Aug 17, 2016, 10:09:55 pm
Simple enough, thanks!
Title: Re: Starter Clutch Gone bad?
Post by: PaulyD on Jul 16, 2020, 01:50:44 am
I had that noise and made no changes to any of my lights ... all stock.   My Stator just went bad.  Maybe it's just the sound that the stator makes from under loaded or goibng bad.