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Title: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RangerRick on Feb 26, 2011, 08:34:08 am
I feel for the members that post on here about cross threading or stripping bolts, nuts and Spark Plugs. I learned many years ago, never start any of these items with anything but your HAND. I've seen a guy put on lug nuts with an air impact wrench, by leaving the nut in the socket :o Can you say cross threaded big time. :doh: If you cannot start these items by hand, theres a reason. Don't grab the wrench and force it. Also when back off or loosening a threaded part if it feels like it's not coming off correctly don't keep backing out. Start to loosen then tighten then loosen and tighten. trying to back  it out a little more each time. This does not always work but some times it does. and if the bolt sticks out the back side and can be reached make sure to clean the crap off the exposed threads. I hope this will help. I'm no expert ;) so I invite others here to add their ideas and what works for them :)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Hoser on Feb 26, 2011, 08:55:48 am
I'll chime in on this one with personal experience on my Raider. While removing the left side frame mount the bolt which goes into the rear head seemed awful tight. I summed it up as lock tite and kept turning, once out I realized the bolt was bent and as I turned it out it chewed up any thread I had left. Long story short I managed to drill it out, and using a heli-coil I managed to save it. The stock bolt now threads in with ease and using only my fingers.
I've heard of stripping spark plug holes as well, this is more common than you would believe especially in the automotive industry where car makers make getting at spark plugs a nightmare. Several companies sell tap and heli kits suited for spark plugs in particular. You will be forced to remove the head when doing this so you don't end up with metal in your bore.
Cheers,
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: 60ford on Feb 26, 2011, 11:57:33 am
This is from painful experince. I always use anti-seize on any bolt or sparkplug that threads into aluminum, it keeps the threads from galling.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: TheGhostRaider on Feb 26, 2011, 12:44:21 pm
This is from painful experince. I always use anti-seize on any bolt or sparkplug that threads into aluminum, it keeps the threads from galling.
:agree: :agree:
You beat me to it LOL
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: A.T. on Feb 26, 2011, 08:03:38 pm
Ditto on the anti-seize and starting by hand...

This post is good advice and should be pinned...
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: FIREMAN on Feb 26, 2011, 08:26:58 pm
yes very good info. for the youngsters. O8O O8O
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: A.T. on Feb 27, 2011, 07:06:45 am
yes very good info. for the youngsters. O8O O8O

 :D :D  Don't be too tough on them youngsters...they seem to be doing a good job of that on their own...
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: JRaider09 on Feb 27, 2011, 08:10:27 am
yes very good info. for the youngsters. O8O O8O

What about a sparkplug that seemed to be crossthreaded from the factory?   :D  I always use a hose to start my plugs but had to go through the headache of pulling the head. :banghead:

But a very good thread indeed.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: oops on Feb 27, 2011, 08:34:28 am
When backing out a bolt that seems to keep tightening try a good shot of PB. Then do the "start to loosen then tighten then loosen and tighten. trying to back  it out a little more each time" as stated by RangerRick. This has saved my a$$ several times.  ;D
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RangerRick on Feb 27, 2011, 08:36:04 am
yes very good info. for the youngsters. O8O O8O

What about a sparkplug that seemed to be crossthreaded from the factory?   :D  I always use a hose to start my plugs but had to go through the headache of pulling the head. :banghead:

But a very good thread indeed.

I wonder if the robot at the factory has hands?  ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: JRaider09 on Feb 27, 2011, 02:34:28 pm
yes very good info. for the youngsters. O8O O8O

What about a sparkplug that seemed to be crossthreaded from the factory?   :D  I always use a hose to start my plugs but had to go through the headache of pulling the head. :banghead:

But a very good thread indeed.

I wonder if the robot at the factory has hands?  ;D ;D ;)

All I know is that damn robots hand was crooked that day. :D
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: THUNDER on Feb 27, 2011, 03:41:19 pm
ok made it a stickey,,,,
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Skidmark on Mar 06, 2011, 11:51:25 pm
I've seen a guy put on lug nuts with an air impact wrench, by leaving the nut in the socket :o

what about NASCAR?  ;D :D
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Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RickS on Mar 23, 2011, 02:37:58 pm
When backing out a bolt that seems to keep tightening try a good shot of PB. Then do the "start to loosen then tighten then loosen and tighten. trying to back  it out a little more each time" as stated by RangerRick. This has saved my a$$ several times.  ;D

Whats PB?
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Rajder on Mar 23, 2011, 04:00:54 pm
Whats PB?

PB is most likely short for "PB Blaster".  It is a penetrating lubricant that works great for breaking loose old rusted bolts, etc.  It's not as easy to find as WD-40 but alot of old time mechanics swear by it.  I think it works better than WD.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Sandbox on Apr 01, 2011, 11:57:37 am
http://blastercorporation.com/display.cfm?p=50003&pid=4 (http://blastercorporation.com/display.cfm?p=50003&pid=4)

Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RangerRick on Apr 01, 2011, 07:38:22 pm
http://blastercorporation.com/display.cfm?p=50003&pid=4 (http://blastercorporation.com/display.cfm?p=50003&pid=4)

Have a can sitting on the shelve  ;D
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: wyldfyre on Apr 22, 2011, 09:40:55 pm
When backing out a bolt that seems to keep tightening try a good shot of PB. Then do the "start to loosen then tighten then loosen and tighten. trying to back  it out a little more each time" as stated by RangerRick. This has saved my a$$ several times.  ;D

Tell me about it, Just changing the oil on my baby and getting it ready for this season. I thought I was going backward more than forward. My advise..... go slow and feel your way.  :D
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: PJ on Apr 23, 2011, 12:09:44 am
PB = Peanut Butter

Both of my rear fender's rear strut bolts are stripped out. Next time I have to remove them, I will have to redrill and rethread them. Wish I knew about the peanut butter trick before hand. And all this time I've just been eating it with jelly on bread. Geeeze! >:(
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Blake09RaiderS on May 17, 2011, 08:29:22 am
On my last bike I had several screws that were so tight that I had to use an EZ-Out to remove them.  I also had a couple of nuts that were cross-threaded so I was glad to have a decent tap-and-die set around to repair the threads.  And the bike came that way from the factory so lesson learned is to always be careful when removing nuts and bolts - even if the bike is brand new. 

PS.  I use PB Blaster as well and it works!
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: busterjay on Jun 07, 2011, 01:40:40 pm
Whats PB?

PB is most likely short for "PB Blaster".  It is a penetrating lubricant that works great for breaking loose old rusted bolts, etc.  It's not as easy to find as WD-40 but alot of old time mechanics swear by it.  I think it works better than WD.

Damn, Now how am I gonna get all that peanut butter off my bike??!! Time to go get a piece of bread to wipe it off!! :)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Brite Raider on Jul 22, 2011, 08:54:06 am
Hi all
I would like to add to this thread and maybe some of u might have some ideas what coud have happened.
I purchase a kuryakyn license plate frame which is a very nice peace.
 After getting my plate mess straightened out I got my Rayder plate(in my gallery) so needed to replace
The temp, there was 4 ss bolts standing between me and this job, easy enoungh right?
Wrong, the four bolts are a allen head and ss chrome with ss locking nuts, when I started backing them off they were tough
So apon closer inspection I can see little burred spots on the bolt threads in frt of the nuts :o no way to repair this so off came the nuts as is :P replaced the plate, tried to reinstalled the bolts and nuts(not a good idea) ss is brittle u guessed it "SNAP" they both broke off. :'( my local ace had the chrome replacments ;D but how would these have gotten burred in the first place?
Rocks?
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Brad de Leon on Dec 04, 2011, 07:39:29 am
Having sailed for many years, I have realized that stainless steel comes in many different grades and does not play well with other metals.  Anti seize is essential all of the time. Dry ss will micro weld when it binds in the least bit.  Those were the burrs you observed, from high speed machine assembly of dry threads, you were doomed from the factory.  When backing out ss for the first time use penetrating fluid and use anti seize when reassembling. Stainless steel into aluminum is the worst, electrolysis will cause it to seize on its own with moisture and time.  Also forget torquing to spec when using any lubricant on threads as specs are for dry thread. 
Always a good idea to randomly check tightness of bolts, especially those that have been disassembled in the past.  The Harley effect.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Raidercruz on May 21, 2012, 12:14:29 am
 So TRUE  Ranger Rick .  A screwed up a Dodge Dakota once a few years back.
 First  I pulled the boots off 3 or 4 of the spark plug wires and then used an
 angle socket wrench to install the plugs and ended up having to drive the
 truck mis firing as hell and had to buy a new set of wires 2 additional plugs
 and had to pay for re tapping engine block.  Whew was that dumb or what.

  Raidercruz
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: michael t on Nov 09, 2012, 11:38:28 pm
I dislike these button head . I just had a 2nd one round out . This time was one you need to remove to get that plate off to get to front tank bolts.  Its  was soft as soon as I started turning  it gave way . (Yes I was using the right size) . This is the 2nd one .  Iam going to replace some of these with a proper bolt .  >:(  The larger ones like fender are fine its the small ones. 
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Sweet Tooth on Nov 10, 2012, 09:59:28 pm
I dislike these button head . I just had a 2nd one round out . This time was one you need to remove to get that plate off to get to front tank bolts.  Its  was soft as soon as I started turning  it gave way . (Yes I was using the right size) . This is the 2nd one .  Iam going to replace some of these with a proper bolt .  >:(  The larger ones like fender are fine its the small ones. 
I have taken off that plate about 6 times this past week . I too hate the little bolts. I will be puttin a stronger bolt instead of allen head. Those never fail to strip on me. 
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: bigjohn on Nov 20, 2012, 05:30:37 pm
screwin around with nuts and bolts is an art that only experience can teach. as far a kids. today's versions sucks,plain and simple. the modern way of raising them is a complete failure...hence the nickname 'the lazy generation'. but don 't worry it'll only get worse. big john
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: sundancer87 on Feb 12, 2013, 05:51:30 pm
I'll chime in on this one with personal experience on my Raider. While removing the left side frame mount the bolt which goes into the rear head seemed awful tight. I summed it up as lock tite and kept turning, once out I realized the bolt was bent and as I turned it out it chewed up any thread I had left. Long story short I managed to drill it out, and using a heli-coil I managed to save it. The stock bolt now threads in with ease and using only my fingers.
I've heard of stripping spark plug holes as well, this is more common than you would believe especially in the automotive industry where car makers make getting at spark plugs a nightmare. Several companies sell tap and heli kits suited for spark plugs in particular. You will be forced to remove the head when doing this so you don't end up with metal in your bore.
Cheers,

Actually, a good heavy bodied grease applied to the tap will catch the cuttings.  I've done this many times w/o pulling a head.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: cpayne13 on Aug 14, 2013, 09:31:31 pm
THIS is a lifesaver! Works good as heat, but does not damage plastics or refinished surfaces.
there are cheaper alternatives than loctite, btw...

(http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/L/LT-996456.JPG)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RangerRick on Aug 15, 2013, 07:50:02 am
It would also work great for removing bearings, as long as they are inside a housing such as the wheel bearings, thanks for the post cpayne13  ;)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Ares X on Aug 15, 2013, 10:04:25 am
THIS is a lifesaver! Works good as heat, but does not damage plastics or refinished surfaces.
there are cheaper alternatives than loctite, btw...

(http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/L/LT-996456.JPG)

Good to know.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: SilverStar on Oct 03, 2013, 09:06:12 pm
Another thing to consider is to know your material.  For example,  when removing plugs from aluminum heads the engine should be cold.  Every time you remove bolts or plugs from hot aluminum there's a chance the aluminum will adhere to the steel and strip no matter how careful you are.  Some alloys are more susceptible than others, but if at all possible, pull plugs cold.  Then use anti-seize to reassemble.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Ares X on Oct 04, 2013, 09:44:22 am
Another thing to consider is to know your material.  For example,  when removing plugs from aluminum heads the engine should be cold.  Every time you remove bolts or plugs from hot aluminum there's a chance the aluminum will adhere to the steel and strip no matter how careful you are.  Some alloys are more susceptible than others, but if at all possible, pull plugs cold.  Then use anti-seize to reassemble.

I wouldn't want to change plugs on a hot engine.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: MaddSampson on Oct 15, 2013, 06:38:25 pm
Yes anti-seize anywhere its hot and steel meets aluminum is a must. also PB is amazing it is freeing up many frozen parts on this 81 xs650 project motor that i am starting for a winter project of mine. I will def have to check out that freeze and release for my next bearing job. 
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: G2G113 on Jan 31, 2015, 01:59:12 am
Always anti-seize any dissimilar metal.  Dissimilar metals and alloys have different electrode potentials, and when two or more come into contact with each other they create corrosion, "Dissimilar Metal Corrosion" or "Galvanic Corrosion".  So I always use a penetrating oil before removing, then a tap and die to clean the threads, then anti-seize.  Takes longer but well worth it.
__________ :raider:
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: old4x4 on Aug 26, 2015, 12:07:12 am
Don't forget when using anti-seize, reduce your torque # by 25%.  Too easy to over torque an oily bolt (and I love the stuff..use it all the time)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RangerRick on Aug 26, 2015, 07:31:50 am
Don't forget when using anti-seize, reduce your torque # by 25%.  Too easy to over torque an oily bolt (and I love the stuff..use it all the time)

 :agree: Thanks for the reminder. Yep, torque specs are dry threads for the most part.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Professor on Aug 26, 2015, 09:20:26 am
Good advice
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: CHROMINATOR on Aug 26, 2015, 11:11:27 am
Very good advice, I did not know that...  ;)
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: Bluezuke860 on Oct 27, 2015, 09:36:26 am
This is from painful experince. I always use anti-seize on any bolt or sparkplug that threads into aluminum, it keeps the threads from galling.


USE TIME-SERTS- Better option but a bit more expensive.
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: cadezracer on Apr 22, 2017, 06:44:58 pm
I used PB Blaster for years as a HVAC tech. Then I came across KROIL, it works even better than PB. I buy it on line in a squeeze can instead of the aerosol can. It only takes a few drops, wait about 5 minutes, and out comes the bolt. 
Title: Re: Threads on Nuts/Bolts/Spark plugs
Post by: RangerRick on Apr 22, 2017, 07:02:44 pm
I used PB Blaster for years as a HVAC tech. Then I came across KROIL, it works even better than PB. I buy it on line in a squeeze can instead of the aerosol can. It only takes a few drops, wait about 5 minutes, and out comes the bolt.

Never heard of it, but am going to try it ;) Thanks for the Information :)