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Throw over saddlebags
« on: Mar 24, 2021, 04:37:36 pm »
Thanks in advance for any comments, advice and wisdom!


The wife and I have a trip planned late next month and want to take the bike but need luggage room.


I have the unicorn qr sissy bar. I have a nice tail bag that goes with it well. I was looking at Viking saddlebags specifically made for the Raider. The problem we have with them is 1) it does not look like they are compatible with the qr sissy bar, 2) they are permanently installed.
If they are permanently installed then we have nothing to carry inside once we get to our destination! We would like to be able to detach our luggage and take it into our room.

The next option was a qr saddlebag set up using easy brackets. I do believe I can fabricate a way for this to be compatible with the qr sissy bar given enough time. The problem with this option is 1) what an eye sore! They are so far away from the fender! 2) when they are detached, WHAT AN EYE SORE!! We plan on cruising a strip by the beach and having the brackets draw all the attention simply will not do...

The solution we have come up with is old fashioned. If we are only going to be using saddlebags for a trip and then detach and take them into the room, why not just throw over saddlebags??? If anyone has a better solution please let me know.

If not, then what are the best saddlebags (bang for buck) for the Raider. We would prefer something that would slip under the passenger pillion for comfort reasons....I see a lot of options on amazon, just wondering if someone knows something I don稚...


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    Re: Throw over saddlebags
    « Reply #1 on: Mar 24, 2021, 06:43:18 pm »
    There are tons of options, but the QR unicorn backrest which covers the rear mounts limits your options.  I'm sure someone has overcome this limitation, maybe with mount brackets which attach under the mounts kinda like these:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/21cm-Saddle-bag-Support-Bar-Mount-Bracket-For-Suzuki-Boulevard-M50-VL800-Volusia/281771618476?fits=Model%3ARaider%7CMake%3AYamaha&hash=item419ae5b0ac:g:Y7sAAOSwnr9bUtJm

    I have Easy Brackets and have this backrest - works great
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/08-Yamaha-Raider-XV1900-Rear-Passenger-Back-Rest-Sissy-Bar/383950487360?fits=Year%3A2015%7CModel%3ARaider%7CSubmodel%3AXV19C%7CMake%3AYamaha&hash=item59653b7f40:g:sucAAOSw3RlgJR3H

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    Re: Throw over saddlebags
    « Reply #2 on: Mar 24, 2021, 08:02:02 pm »
    I had throw-over bags on my first Raider and they ended up wearing the clear coat on the sides of the fender due to vibration. I was pissed.  I ended up going with EZ-brackets after that. On my last two Raiders I went with permanent mounted hard bags. When doing long trips, I just strapped other bags, usually a large duffle bag, to the fender rack, but my wife has her own bike and I'm guessing you don't have that option.

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #3 on: Mar 24, 2021, 08:15:06 pm »
      2) when they are detached, WHAT AN EYE SORE!! We plan on cruising a strip by the beach and having the brackets draw all the attention simply will not do..

      You must mean those braces that support the bags that stay on the bike even if you take off the bags, yeah I don't use those with my bags as they already are rigid enough to not sag toward the rim, but if you want to use bags that sag and don't want to use the support brackets try putting a thin 1/8"-1/4" metal plate almost the same dimensions as the wall on both sides of the wall of the bags where the brackets mount to the bags as if you mount with 4 bolts far apart on each bag they will stiffen up the bags, but like I said those Nomad USA bags don't need support brackets or plates. Here are a few options

      1) I have these bags they measure 18"L x 8"W x 12"H on the outside at the farthest parts, and the opening is 12"L x 7.5"W x 10.75" deep, (I just put a measuring tape to them to confirm, each bag is about 28L) They are $120 new on Amazon. They are throw over bags that you can unscrew the wing nuts off the strap that holds them together and I custom mounted universal quick disconnect brackets to them so I can do the same thing you want to by taking the bags off at the hotel and use them as luggage and put them back on for day riding for storage and picking up takeout. These are the cheapest biggest bags you can get that fit our Raider's stock exhaust pipe. It can mount with about 2" between the bottom of the bags and the top of the stock pipes and lines up pretty much with the height of the rear fender.

      https://www.amazon.com/Nomad-USA-Extra-Large-Reinforced-Motorcycle/dp/B01LZM1GPX/ref=asc_df_B01LZM1GPX/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475812102369&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1424036657135250740&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9025184&hvtargid=pla-996326076421&psc=1

      2) These are the universal quick disconnect brackets. I bought some extra locking nuts, bolts, and washers to add to the brackets to make them more secure as they don't come with enough to mount 6 bolts to each bag, 4 short pairs of 8mm bolts, locking nuts, and washers around the outside edge, and 2 pair of longer 8mm bolts, locking nuts, and washers that mount the actual bracket to the fender bolts. $55 new on Amazon these fit our Raider 8mm mounting holes

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019XTNY2Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

      These are the nuts, bolts and washers I bought to have enough to secure the bags to the brackets

      M8 X 1.25MM Zinc Plated Nylon Lock Nuts Inserted Hex Self Clinching Black

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L1RMDN3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

      M8-1.25 x 16mm Button Head Hex Socket Cap Screws, 10.9 Grade Alloy Steel, Black Oxide Finish

      3) This is the Nomad saddle bag store on Amazon if you want to look at other bags they sell. They are currently not available but you can copy and paste the name of the bag you like and google search them to find another site to buy them from

      https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/09D46782-AB1A-4343-8173-C58C59862B30?ingress=2&visitId=73c86ee0-1745-4558-b343-4859f57aed63&ref_=ast_bln

      The advantage to the Easy Brackets are they are made make and model specific so the holes line up with the fender strut bolts and for the universal quick disconnect brackets you have to custom line up the bracket holes to the bolt holes and make sure the are as close to 100% as possible as if they are not lined up extremely good the will NOT go on or come off trust me there is very little tolerance but it can be done a lot easier with an extra pair of hands to make all the marks on the bags to make sure you drill the holes in the right place. Also if you take the strap off you will have to fill the holes with caulk, silicone, or some other filler to make them waterproof. I didn't add any support bars and even fully loaded they don't sag on my Raider but if you want them to stiffen up more you could add a then metal plate on the inside and/or outside to give the bags a more rigid frame. They sell Easy Bracket for our Raider with 6 different mount options with with no sissy bar, with OEM hard mount sissy bar, OEM quick release sissy bar, (I believe this is your model specific) and so on, new for $195 on AccessoryInternational.com

      http://www.accessoryinternational.com/product/easy-brackets-yma-r5-yamaha-raider.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwxuuCBhATEiwAIIIz0Tx55TBWL01YeK3zGrbHwm3AixNNIkd5rG_m3sauKhUO4zP-QdJjxxoCGnsQAvD_BwE

      and here for $155

      https://www.saddlebagdepot.com/motorcycle-saddlebag-mounting-brackets/106-easy-brackets-for-yamaha-raider.html#/162-bracket_model-yma_r5

      Easy Brackets also sell a handle so that if you take off your bags and use them as luggage you can easily carry them. New $40

      https://www.jpcycles.com/product/zz84200/easy-brackets-easy-tote-carrying-handle

      you sound like you either have a passenger pad or removeable passenger pad and your lady will be riding on the back so here are some options to possibly mount a bag to the sissy bar rack. I would strap the bag at the bottom on both sides to the rear fender strut bolts going to the hard mounted or quick release mounted saddlebags. You can check Revzilla and Kuryakyn to get the model number of a bag you like then search them on Amazon if you prefer to shop there.

      Kuryakyn 60L passenger bag (23"L x 19"H x 13"W) new Amazon for $185

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076ZT344C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

      75L Amazon Basics hiking backpack new $87

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y57GNY1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

      https://www.kuryakyn.com/products/5164/momentum-wanderer-touring-seat-bag

      https://www.kuryakyn.com/products/5158/momentum-freeloader-duffle

      https://www.kuryakyn.com/products/6172/xkursionreg-xs-steward-roll-bag

      https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle-tail-bags

      https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle-luggage-racks

      If money doesn't matter these seem to be the largest saddle bags you can get but I believe you have to take off the stock pipe and probably the rear turn signals, (you would have to get the integrated LED tail light so you can remove the physical stock rear turn signals as they would blink in the stock brake light) and these Tsukayu Strong Jumbo hard saddlebags with or without Easy Brackets (26"L x 10.5"W x 15"H) 35L per bag, $550 for no Easy Brackets with paint ready or vinyl covered ABS all the way up to $890 for Easy Bracket mounted Fiberglass gloss black painted

      https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Raider+Integrated+LED+Taillight&ref=nb_sb_noss

      https://www.amazon.com/Custom-LED-Electronic-Blinkers-Motorcycles/dp/B00BHOCOPM/ref=pd_bxgy_img_3/133-8552351-2459226?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00BHOCOPM&pd_rd_r=00d61713-3bd9-43f9-b4cc-d2ff4668af1e&pd_rd_w=lERoc&pd_rd_wg=bgKA5&pf_rd_p=f325d01c-4658-4593-be83-3e12ca663f0e&pf_rd_r=N3XBZE59YBKJRYCJ4PF5&psc=1&refRID=N3XBZE59YBKJRYCJ4PF5

      https://www.amazon.com/Custom-LED-Blaster-X-Control-Integrated/dp/B00BHQ5URO/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/133-8552351-2459226?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00BHQ5URO&pd_rd_r=00d61713-3bd9-43f9-b4cc-d2ff4668af1e&pd_rd_w=lERoc&pd_rd_wg=bgKA5&pf_rd_p=f325d01c-4658-4593-be83-3e12ca663f0e&pf_rd_r=N3XBZE59YBKJRYCJ4PF5&psc=1&refRID=N3XBZE59YBKJRYCJ4PF5

      https://tsukayu.com/JumboStrong.html


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      « Last Edit: Mar 25, 2021, 10:24:57 am by FireNative »

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #4 on: Mar 25, 2021, 10:21:17 am »
      The eye sore he's referring to with the Easy Brackets removed are the connector bolts that stick out from the fender on both sides.

      I, personally, don't think it's that bad, but I will agree that Easy Brackets tend to make the saddlebags stick out quite a distance from the fender. This was another reason I decided to go with permanent hard bags.
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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #5 on: Mar 25, 2021, 10:27:19 am »
      The eye sore he's referring to with the Easy Brackets removed are the connector bolts that stick out from the fender on both sides.

      I, personally, don't think it's that bad.

      Yeah my universal quick disconnect brackets have the same posts sticking out but trust me while riding or even parked no one will notice those little posts/bolt adaptors sticking out

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #6 on: Mar 25, 2021, 11:34:21 am »
      Step 1: Sell the unicorn for $500
      Step 2: Buy a permanent mount sissy bar for $250
      Step 3: Buy bags and supports for $250

      Total cost: $0

      Just a thought.


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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #8 on: Mar 25, 2021, 04:38:07 pm »
      Here's my bike in a previous life...bagged up....lol (Circa 3-16-11).  Cortech Sport bags can be "thrown" on.  I used all of these bags on my FZ1 too, except for the Kuryakyn (backrest bag).  Very versatile.  When expanded, you can fit a full face helmet, plus some in them.

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #9 on: Mar 25, 2021, 08:28:51 pm »
      Step 1: Sell the unicorn for $500
      Step 2: Buy a permanent mount sissy bar for $250
      Step 3: Buy bags and supports for $250

      Total cost: $0

      Just a thought.


      This makes sense, but still leaves me with either bags that do not come off or supports that create an eye sore...

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #10 on: Mar 25, 2021, 08:34:06 pm »
      I had throw-over bags on my first Raider and they ended up wearing the clear coat on the sides of the fender due to vibration. I was pissed.  I ended up going with EZ-brackets after that. On my last two Raiders I went with permanent mounted hard bags. When doing long trips, I just strapped other bags, usually a large duffle bag, to the fender rack, but my wife has her own bike and I'm guessing you don't have that option.


      With the unicorn sissy bar installed, it looks like the crome on the side of the fender is where the rub would be. I知 wondering if there is something I can put in between to prevent wear and tear on shorter trips.

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #11 on: Mar 25, 2021, 08:36:08 pm »
      Here's my bike in a previous life...bagged up....lol (Circa 3-16-11).  Cortech Sport bags can be "thrown" on.  I used all of these bags on my FZ1 too, except for the Kuryakyn (backrest bag).  Very versatile.  When expanded, you can fit a full face helmet, plus some in them.

      I値l end up with something similar to this, but I値l have the mrs on the passenger pillion...

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #12 on: Mar 25, 2021, 09:18:58 pm »
      Have you considered just getting your wife her own bike and then strapping luggage on like I do?

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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #13 on: Mar 26, 2021, 06:27:41 am »
      Have you considered just getting your wife her own bike and then strapping luggage on like I do?

      Is it hard for her to ride her own bike with your luggage strapped to her?
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      Re: Throw over saddlebags
      « Reply #14 on: Mar 26, 2021, 08:45:22 am »
      Here's my bike in a previous life...bagged up....lol (Circa 3-16-11).  Cortech Sport bags can be "thrown" on.  I used all of these bags on my FZ1 too, except for the Kuryakyn (backrest bag).  Very versatile.  When expanded, you can fit a full face helmet, plus some in them.

      I値l end up with something similar to this, but I値l have the mrs on the passenger pillion...
      We've used the bags many times with her on the back.  Just without the tail bag that you see on her seat.
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